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Ok, a lot of hams and others have been asking me about the install i have been working on this year, i have been doing it off and on as i collect parts and have time to tinker.

As of today it's pretty much complete, all antennas installed, radios all installed, computer mount, all the wiring and cabling is done. Just a few minor details to tweak here and there and its all done for now. Next thing on the list, if/when i get the time/money to do it is a secondary battery.

It's an older van, 94, so don't expect it to be spectacular when i get the inside pictures taken care of in the next couple days. But it serves its purpose. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking, recently even surviving a close call with a deer that left the drivers side a bit beat up.

Here is the outside now..

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The new lowband antenna finally! It's tilted back ever so slightly, when the door opens up it sits parallel with the roof. The benefit also, if I needed to flip it down I guess I could open the back door to drive into a garage or whatever. The back antenna, if you look closely, isn't even as tall as the top of the VHF toward the front, so it shouldn't pose much of a problem, I only know of a few places where I hit something with the VHF. I can also unscrew the bottom end of the Hustler mast and slip it down and out of the support arm.

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Here is a detail shot of the piece bolted to the van.

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I was thinking of using the next size up "T" with a threaded adapter down to the smaller PVC pipe, so that I could unscrew the support arm leaving the "T" bolted to the van door. But then one thinks about theft if its easy to remove! If I parked in a garage every night I might have went that route, but since I don't have a garage to put it in I though a more permanent mount would be better. And if I need to remove it a screwdriver and wrench and it's gone in mere minutes. It's two 10mm machine screws with poly locking nuts, the outside one you can just see in the gap between the door and van body. The screw holes are in the edge of the door where it's a solid piece above the rain gutter under the gap, so no worries about moisture getting in the door, and any moisture that follows the screws ends up in the rain gutter.

All this serves as is a stabilizer at highway speeds so it doesn't deflect back much. Also, when you slow down it doesn't twang up against the back of the van! It's tested now and works perfectly, the PVC has a little give or flex to it and it just kinda rides like a shock absorber. I could have done something a little more elegant, and i looked at a few options with making a clamp to go over the door edge and using flat material like plexi or similar for the support arm, but they are more susceptible to cold and cracking. This design is super cheap, cost less than $5 for all the parts, and if anything breaks its quick to replace it.

Yeah it's HamSexy, but it's a lot better than some jerry rigging i have seen on these masts.

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The mast passes through another "T" fitting. In the top opening there is a rubber grommet, I found that it made a rather annoying pinging sound when driving over bumps, so I took a rubber grommet the right size for the inner diameter of the "T" and cut the one side, removing the lip that would normally end up on the other side of the sheet metal, then I took some adhesive and put a bead around the grommet and slipped it down into the "T". Works perfectly, still enough play to move and remove the mast if necessary, but dampens the noise from the mast jiggling around in the "T". I had thought about putting one in the bottom as well, however, it works fine with one, and if i put a bottom one in there it could trap moisture, which in the winter months would end up as solid ice buildup in the pipe and "T".

The antennas are the following:

Larsen NMO 150C 5/8 Wave 144-174Mhz, 51.5 inches. Through hole mounted of course!

Larsen NMO 440C 5/8 over 1/2 Wave, 440-460Mhz, 33.0 inches. Through hole mounted again of course!

Antennamax GPS, 30db gain active antenna. Mounted on a Larsen 6Ghz mount and Antennex L-Bracket, thanks to Waltel.com for quickly installing the SMA and shipping it out!

Huster MO-3 54" mast topped with a RM-10S 10m resonator, both of which give a 2.0 or less SWR across the FM portion of 10 and 6m for the lowband X9000 feeding it.

The radios, soon to be pictured are the following:

Syntor X9000 100w VHF

Syntor X9000 100w UHF

Syntor X9000 100w Lowband (10 & 6)

All of the radios are mounted to the floor under the second row of seating.

Also installed:

Kodiak KDCF-27 docking station with a custom built-in GPS receiver, i used a OEM module from eBay known as the Sandpiper II.

Toughbook CF-27.

NTN5438 Genesis Series Charger for my MT1000's.

No whacker lights or sirens.. :P (That was a joke in case you didn't get it)

Wow, this list got long!
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Post by va3wxm »

Nice job. 8)

It doesn't look whacktacular to me at all. It looks like it belongs to a ham who's serious about his hobby!

Now... if you had a lightbar and some strobes or something. Well... :D

That's pretty ingenious what you did to keep the low-band whip from banging around.

For the GPS can you get away with a standard NMO or do you need the special one ("high frequency" as Larsen calls them)?
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Post by paramedic218 »

cant wait to see to x9000's

looks good to me nice wook
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Thanks for the praise! The mount was cheap, does it's job, and does it well. I like to adhere to KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid!

For the GPS it's best to use the High Frequency mount, also listed as the 6Ghz mount since its usable up to that.

However, i did some testing, a regular mount seemed to work ok, but there was a noticeable difference, a slight up and down variance, in the signal strength. The NMO antenna i used has a plunger pin type contact, like the Tram VHF and UHF antenna's, so the high frequency mount is not needed due to the connection type. The 6Ghz mount has a removable center contact that allows high frequency antenna's with a center pin to be used.

It appears that having the High Frequency mount helps, mainly because it is sealed where the coax connects to it. If you look at the following page from the Waltel.com website you can see that coax get's crimped to the mount.

http://shop.waltel.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/1_28

I'm starting to think the 6Ghz mount is the better option for any install using an NMO, especially when being installed on a flat or L-Bracket, it's more weatherproof.
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paramedic218 wrote:cant wait to see to x9000's

looks good to me nice wook
Pictures of the console, computer, and radios, will most likely be on here tonight. I have to wait until some other housekeeping duties are done before i can get the old camera out. I promised i would finish vacuuming out and cleaning the van to my wife!

:lol:
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Still working on some cable tidying, and the lowband mic still doesn't have a hangup clip, it's here now just didn't have time to install it, or decided for sure where i want it, but that will be done soon enough.

So, without further delay, here is the operating position!

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Lowband X9000, VHF X9000, UHF X9000, and Genesis series charger.

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Toughbook locked into it's Kodiak KDCF-27 mount, the GPS mentioned previously is installed inside the docking station. I posted pictures of that on a previous discussion, if someone wants to see them but can't find them let me know and i will post a link or the pictures.

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Here you can see the back of the docking station and the added SMA bulkhead and coax going to the GPS antenna. Still in need of tidying, eventually the coax will be in the split loom tubing, most likely this weekend when i have time to finish up all the small items, the devil is in the details.

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Here is the laptop running Iguidance, without a doubt the easiest and best to use mobile navigation software. One really nice feature, it uses the sunrise and sunset data from the GPS to switch between the night and day background on the map, the current setting is the night setting. I manually set it to that because the camera was having a tough time with the white daytime background. Still got some camera flash on the screen though.

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Here is the VHF X9000.

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And here is the lowband and UHF X9000. The lowband is on top. I stacked them to save room, though some may disagree with the way i did it, i find it worked out nicely. I drilled four 1/4 inch holes in the top cover of the UHF to match the mounting plate holes for the lowband radio, i used some 1/4 inch carriage bolts so the heads were low profile inside the UHF radio, then on top some rubber washers and metal washers and nuts. The metal washer compresses the rubber washer against the top of the lid and against the bolt, they were a stretch fit on the bolt and should keep any stray moisture out of the bottom radio via the bolt holes. Then the mounting tray, and poly locking nuts to keep it from coming loose. The extra nuts give some space in-between the bottom radios top and the bottom of the top radios mounting plate.

A note on the laptop mount, when it's necessary for someone to be in the passenger seat i just swing it over the console. Still plenty of room to get to the control heads and plenty of room for the passenger. The mounting pole is far enough to the left corner of the seat that it's not uncomfortable or in the way of the passenger. I should know, i sat there a few trips to test it out myself before making anyone else sit there!

And in case nobody read a previous post showing this console in its earlier days of the install, the two toggle switches are for the relays that run the ignition sense lines for the radios, and the ignition switched lead for the docking station. This allows me to flip the switches and turn all the equipment off if necessary. And of course the relays isolate the ignition switched power of the van from the equipment. All of the equipment is run off an added fuse panel in the radio console which is fed by a 4 gauge run directly from the battery. The only other connection to the vehicle wiring is a tap off the supply side of the car stereo fuse in the vehicles fuse panel which switches the relays when the switches are in the down position. This makes the equipment turn off with the ignition, and also off while cranking and back on when the key returns to the run position. The same as the car stereo.

When the switches are in the center position everything is off, and when the switches are in the up position all equipment is on regardless of the ignition switch state. This will come in handy if/when i add a secondary battery as i will be able to power everything off the secondary battery without the ignition switch being on.

The added connectors on the control cables are for programming, an 8 pin male inline mic jack. If anyone knows where i can get a threaded dust cap for them that would be nice, otherwise i was thinking about putting rubber tubing caps over them. I know there used to be a manufacturer that made dust caps for panel mount round mic jacks, which these are the same as only inline style.
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Post by KitN1MCC »

it looks like a hams Car.Not too much at all

i would have stuck the low band on the side of the Rear but ohh well

looks better than that Wannabe Cop car with the Federal Bar
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it looks like a hams Car.Not too much at all
What do you mean not too much at all?

As for the lowband antenna, on the back corner would have been stupid, then its in your line of sight in the side mirror, not to mention that if its on the side one has to worry about stuff hitting it, or clipping it off.

Not to mention that the driver's side of the back corner is the location of the rear washer fluid reservoir, NO ROOM! And the back passenger side wouldn't work because of the sliding side door.

The back was the best of locations.
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Post by VE9MP »

Nice job Scott!!

It really makes me want to get off my rear and do something for myself, currently my mobile install is sticking a portable in the cup holder :lol:
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VE9MP wrote:Nice job Scott!!

It really makes me want to get off my rear and do something for myself, currently my mobile install is sticking a portable in the cup holder :lol:
LOL, hey, it's better than nothing! Speaking of cup holders, i still have use of mine, pulls out to just about touch the back of the lowband head.
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Post by akardam »

Wow. That is a very nice, clean, simple, well thought out install.

I see you've got a couple of the newer style hand mics there (presumably with the x9000 connector on them?). How do you like them compared to the old style mics?
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akardam wrote:Wow. That is a very nice, clean, simple, well thought out install.

I see you've got a couple of the newer style hand mics there (presumably with the x9000 connector on them?). How do you like them compared to the old style mics?
They are the HMN4069A, MCS2000 mics, that i converted to use with the Syntor X9000. I put a 90 degree 8 pin mic connector on them, and there is a panel mount 8 pin female mic jack in the panel, on the back side of the panel is a X9000 mic cord soldered to the jacks and connected to the VHF and UHF heads.

I like them a lot! I have been thinking about getting another one for the lowband radio! I get lots of comments on the sound of my audio.

And thanks for the postive comment! It took a long time of a hour here and there to tinker on this install. Not to mention all the time trading with batboard members to collect all the parts! Minus the console and the laptop mount and docking station, and of course wiring and small parts, everything else was gained from the batboard. The console was recycled from a CHP unit. And the face plates for it were made by a local welding shop, i just made a pattern and had them duplicate it in metal.
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Post by paramedic218 »

OMG SCOTT.

now i know why i talk to you the most on idea's. it was like you were in my head. looks like what i want to do with my dodge ram. now that i see it i cant get rid of my mt charger. now all i need to do is get my low band and my vhf and get cracking on my install. nice work. very impressed. nice and clean. to sum it all up. I LOVE IT.

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Post by KitN1MCC »

not too much in the ham sexy Relm
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KitN1MCC wrote:not too much in the ham sexy Relm
Oh, well i will take that as a compliment! I don't want the stuff that looks so "Amateur" that it gets considered "Ham Sexy". Though some might say that about my antenna support, but i took care in putting that together.

As for a light bar, as you mentioned previously, not likely to ever see such a thing on one of my vehicles.

I have nothing but stock lighting, and a rechargeable flashlight, lol.
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Post by wa2zdy »

Good work, but I'd have just used nylon twine to guy up the HF mast. But hey, that's just me.
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Nylon twine, or any other rope or string for that matter wouldn't have worked in this situation though because the biggest problem was it flying forward and smacking the rear window.

I could have used guy wires if the major concern was backwards movement though.

Also, without the pipe as shown when i flip the door up it flops forward and smacks the roof, the way it is now when i flip up the door the antenna stays parallel to the roof. I should get a picture taken of that, then perhaps it would show what i'm getting at, lol.

Thanks for the positive comment!
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Understood. Good work.
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Post by Vcom »

Beautiful downtown Tyler on the map, I see. :wink:

Look both ways for the DME.

Looks really nice Scott!
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Yep! The DME is right across the street from me. I can watch the trains go by.

Thanks!
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Post by apco25 »

Very nice, looks good and well put together.

I can't say that the PVC support bracket doesn't scream super HF ham geek, but if it works and does the job then its ok :)
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LOL...

I know apco, it has that HF mobile ham look to it. I guess i have just seen so many HF installs that i just worked off their ideas and come up with my own.

I would like to build a totally custom one off support rod for it. Was thinking of using a clear lexan rod stock and machining a hole for the mast and on the other end make a edge clamp like a trunk lip mount.

But, that's a project for the next vehicle, this one is done and going to stay as is. Eventually we will be getting a new van and all the equipment will get transferred over, probably in the next year or two.

Next generation i think i will put the laptop and docking station in the back and just have a touch screen up front. But as i said, that's the next project.
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Just wanted to revive this thread for a moment, i have had a few ask, where is the pictures, well, this thread's pictures were removed from the server to make room for the pictures of the new install. This van was sold, and the equipment has now been transplanted to the new van.

Look here for the thread on the new installation as it progressed.

http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=56398

And also my website showing it as well.

http://frontiernet.net/~kb0nly/mobile.htm

Again thanks for all the positive comments on the old van, looking forward to any comments on the new install.
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