MotoTRBO. You saw it here first!!!!

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:23 pm

Hey batlabs.

I spent last night fooling around with my new Motorola XPR4550. Here are some screen (display) shots for you guys to feast on.

Oh, and here's a short video I made today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En8-lRhDoro

I did a dry fit in my car- the radio is DIN size, so I'd imagine there's a nice bracket available.

Enjoy.

-Mike

RSSI Display!!!

Menu Structure

Hopefully this isn't developmental FW

TXT LOL hehe.

Awesome!

Size Comparison

Post by **escomm** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:36 pm

saw what here first, programmed radios? we've known about trbo (and even seen the demos that fell off the truck) for months ;p

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:46 pm

No $h#t escomm- I must have been hiding under a rock or something.

We've all known about it, you are correct.

This is just to give the other 95% of batlabs (non MSS employees/IWCE attendees) a chance to see it working.

Anyway, please enjoy- I guess I'm easily entertained.

-Mike

dxon2m · Post by **dxon2m** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 pm

SEXY stuff. I suppose the TMS on the motoTRBO is the same as the TMS on XTS5000?

Thanks for posting mike

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:25 pm

I haven't played with the TMS on the TRBO just yet, but it looks more streamlined than the Astro TMS. They're both awesome though.

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:42 pm

The TMS is pretty much the same as the DTR series, if you've played with them.

Hmmph...our demos, as well as the CPS & cables, aren't available to us here in Canada until sometime in March

Placed the orders though!

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:58 pm

I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike

RFguy · Post by **RFguy** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:24 pm

I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike

Dreamer

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:47 pm

HAHA.

I'm being optimistic

Johnny Galaga · Post by **Johnny Galaga** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:00 pm

How hard will it be to get the software and programming equipment ?

scanner_freak · Post by **scanner_freak** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:23 pm

sweet pic/vid. Im jelous

Thanks for sharing

Post by **escomm** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:36 pm

Johnny Galaga wrote:How hard will it be to get the software and programming equipment ?

No harder than any other piece of software. The client that tracks the GPS movements goes for about $1100

tvsjr · Post by **tvsjr** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:21 pm

If it wasn't for that ghey-ass commentary in the background...

Is that a real radio, or an ABC123?

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:32 pm

tvsjr wrote:If it wasn't for that ghey-ass commentary in the background...

Is that a real radio, or an ABC123?

It's not an ABC123...it's a 0000AAA hahaha.

Model No: M27QPH9LA1AN
Flashcode: 500008-000488-2

Seriously!

The only marking is the motorola label. Doesn't even say XPR!

MattSR · Post by **MattSR** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:47 pm

I wonder when 4F1E codeplugs will appear lol

dxon2m · Post by **dxon2m** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:48 pm

mikegilbert wrote: Model No: M27QPH9LA1AN
Flashcode: 500008-000488-2

IMBE + SZ + ID Display...mmmmmmm

Post by **wavetar** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:52 pm

mikegilbert wrote:I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike

What do you mean by "regular CPS"?? I assumed you had it since you posted the pics. The TRBO CPS is part# RVN5115. The cable part numbers are:

Portable programming/service cable – PMKN4013

Portable programming cable – PMKN4012

Mobile front programming cable – HKN6184

Repeater/mobile rear programming/service cable – PMKN4016

60A · Post by **60A** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:33 pm

I have to say, I'm pretty excited. My work is getting some demo units as soon as our local dealer gets them in!

Thanks for the video *drool*

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:01 pm

wavetar wrote:What do you mean by "regular CPS"?? I assumed you had it since you posted the pics...

Well this is a developmental radio so i don't know if the regular CPS will even talk to it.

I used the test frequencies that were already loaded in the radio for the RX check.

Thanks for the part #'s. I'll be ordering the cable shortly.

lenny kravitz · Post by **lenny kravitz** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:31 am

Here are anothers pictures.

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60A · Post by **60A** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:28 pm

that is a giant microphone, yikes!

Rayjk110 · Post by **Rayjk110** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:42 pm

Cool!

Looks like the standard full-feature XTL palm mic.

60A · Post by **60A** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:55 am

Our dealer just got their demos in, and we were first on their list to try them out. I have to say I am pretty impressed. We have them programed for or analog repeater... and they sound clearer then our current ht-1250's. We also have them on a digital simplex channel and the range is pretty excellent. Yay moto!

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:51 pm

Anyone else run into this little 'bug' with the CPS?

I found that the factory programmed digital personality of course works. Now, try deleting the factory analog personality, and manually creating a second, third, fourth, etc, digital channel. By "manually", I mean right-click "Zone 1", and choose "new", "digital channel". It will put them in there...but they will NOT work...you just get an error tone when you attempt to transmit. Doesn't matter if you set it as a repeater channel, or a simplex channel. Also doesn't' matter which "repeater slot" you set it for. This happened with both of my demo portables, and the demo mobile.

I had to erase all but the factory digital personality, then highlight the personality, right-click it, and choose "copy". Then highlight "Zone 1", right-click it, and choose "paste". It will add it as the next channel, and it will then work!

This was with the latest "B" version of the CPS.

What a pain in the @ss...especially when I was trying to program the buggers the night before they were to be showcased at a convention.

Todd

Johnny Galaga · Post by **Johnny Galaga** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:46 pm

I've read other threads on here that it's really hard to get Motorola to sell you the CPS. Is that still true with these new radios?

Does CPS use the same old RIB box as RSS, or is there some other way you're supposed to hook it up to the computer?

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:48 pm

Johnny Galaga wrote:I've read other threads on here that it's really hard to get Motorola to sell you the CPS. Is that still true with these new radios?

The only CPS that people have trouble getting are the Professional Series (HT/CDM), Entry Level Professional Series (CT250/450), and Professional Trunked Series (MTX850/8250, etc) which for whatever reason have their own specific license agreement.

All other CPS/RSS falls under the "general" license agreement that anybody can sign, pay for & obtain.

That said, I don't know which one will apply to the TRBO radios...it's too new to be on the RSS spreadsheet on MOL.

Johnny Galaga wrote: Does CPS use the same old RIB box as RSS, or is there some other way you're supposed to hook it up to the computer?

All TRBO cables are USB based...no serial cables at all (so far, at least).

Todd

nmfire10 · Post by **nmfire10** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:24 am

So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?

Post by **escomm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:53 am

Business yes... for public safety Motorola would much rather sell you a Quantar and some XTS/XTL radios....

Rayjk110 · Post by **Rayjk110** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:09 am

Any idea what MSRP pricing on this stuff is? I would expect portables to be between $400-500, but that's just a rough guess. . .

Post by **escomm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:26 am

more like $900-1100 for the portables and $800-1000 for the mobiles

Post by **wavetar** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:05 pm

nmfire10 wrote:So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?

According to the matrix I saw at the Motorola road show in November, they envision these radios to be sort of "upper middle class" in their portfolio. They recommend them for certain types of public safety, such as small to mid-sized municipal police & fire fleets no problem. The physical build quality surpasses the HT/CDM & Commercial series stuff (IP57 & all that), so I'd have to agree. It fills in a large gap between their current platforms & the "Homeland Security" level of the Astro stuff.

I'm going to make this thread a sticky until the info can get moved to the knowledge base...so far it contains pictures, part numbers, CPS bug work arounds, etc.

Todd

RESCUE161 · Post by **RESCUE161** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:24 pm

I guess plain old P25 IMBE is out for these things? <---- Just a guess...

Post by **escomm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:35 pm

RESCUE161 wrote:I guess plain old P25 IMBE is out for these things? <---- Just a guess...

Correct, they use TDMA

Post by **HumHead** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:13 pm

...and the AMBE vocoder.

It uses the ETSI-TS102 361-1 protocol. It is an open standard, but not even remotely compatible with P25 Phase I.

Post by **Grog** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:37 pm

Rayjk110 wrote:Any idea what MSRP pricing on this stuff is? I would expect portables to be between $400-500, but that's just a rough guess. . .

That was a good one.....

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:10 am

wavetar wrote:
nmfire10 wrote:So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?
According to the matrix I saw at the Motorola road show in November, they envision these radios to be sort of "upper middle class" in their portfolio. They recommend them for certain types of public safety, such as small to mid-sized municipal police & fire fleets no problem. The physical build quality surpasses the HT/CDM & Commercial series stuff (IP57 & all that), so I'd have to agree. It fills in a large gap between their current platforms & the "Homeland Security" level of the Astro stuff.

I'm going to make this thread a sticky until the info can get moved to the knowledge base...so far it contains pictures, part numbers, CPS bug work arounds, etc.

Todd

So at the same sort of market tier where you'd find the MT2000 etc in the ASTRO Saber days?

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:34 am

HumHead wrote:...and the AMBE vocoder.

It uses the ETSI-TS102 361-1 protocol. It is an open standard, but not even remotely compatible with P25 Phase I.

Yep. Different modulation scheme, different vocoder, different framing, different access method, etc.

Post by **HumHead** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:45 am

According to the engineer that I spoke with from /\/\, they are positioning these to be the evolution / replacement for the Professional Series radios, once they are ultimately discontinued.

If I were a betting man, I would guess that we will see the pricing on the two series getting closer and closer as discontinuation of the Professional Series approaches, several years down the line.

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:24 pm

escomm wrote:more like $900-1100 for the portables and $800-1000 for the mobiles

Are you sure?

See, I only paid $60 for mine

Post by **escomm** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:51 pm

I got mine for free and I can send mine to the depot for service and will actually get it back....

Post by **Grog** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:02 pm

escomm wrote:I got mine for free and I can send mine to the depot for service and will actually get it back....

Well, it's a modern /\/\, so it'll probably be needing a depot trip soon anyway

Post by **escomm** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:05 pm

I think it needs to go already... it doesn't do DTMF! Jk, I don't think it's capable of doing DTMF

FYI, the repeater cannot run in mixed mode, it's either analog or digital and is controllable only by the CPS... though I suppose you could put up two repeaters on the same pair and have one run digital and one run analog.

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:20 pm

The fact that mixed mode is possible on ASTRO base stations doesn't make it a good idea anyway, except maybe on the hammy bands.

Post by **escomm** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:55 pm

mr.syntrx wrote:The fact that mixed mode is possible on ASTRO base stations doesn't make it a good idea anyway, except maybe on the hammy bands.

Yes, but there is about a 1/2 to 3/4 second delay from the time you talk on digital and the time it comes out on everyone else's radio, and sometimes you just have to have realtime comms. So flipping to analog would be nice and convenient for times like that.

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:17 pm

Most digital radios have that DSP lag in analog and digital modes anyway, military gear especially.

Check out the lag in FM on an MBITR sometime.

Post by **escomm** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:52 pm

Thus the need to be able to easily switch to analog for true real time comms

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:38 pm

Yeah, use an MT500 or HT1250, or other radios with no DSP to clean up the analog audio.

-Josh

Post by **wavetar** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:06 am

Here's the mobile accessory connector info:

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:05 am

OK Todd, you're nominated to put together the Knowledge Base article for these radios!

giardinop · Post by **giardinop** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:43 pm

What are the prospects for the "S" bandsplit?

Can you mix TDMA and conventional channels in a Zone?

I like what these radios offer but our EX600s and CDM1250s give us a lot of interoperability (between other Gov'ts on UHF). The "R" bandsplit does not cover enough for us.

MotoTRBO. You saw it here first!!!!

MotoTRBO. You saw it here first!!!!

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