Motorola Counterfeits

[w4rez]

There's a Moto dealer on this board who shall remain anonymous (unless he wishes to come forward...don't want to get his name involved without his permission) who's going to send it off to Moto and get me a genuine charger.

So, should I decide to send it to him, and timbo gets his money back through PayPal I'm still going to be sitting pretty.

BTW everybody wave and say "Hi" to Mr. Emsdadtimbo, for I know for a fact he's watching this.

[batdude]

the appropriate email with supporting information has been forwarded to the responsbile party that can take action to prevent a recurrence.

that's all i'll say / offer.

if ncecessary, please keep your threats of legal action to yourself.


wake up - and smell the internet.



doug

[Hightower]

Either Motorola's Legal department is taking the year off, OR

I bet they are collecting all the evidence against these counterfeiters and whack them ALL at one big swoop.

If Motorola went after one guy on ebay, and the rest of the counterfeiters see what Motorola is doing, and would close up shop till the heat is over. Kinda like when one drug dealer gets busted in town, the rest of the dealers get scared and close shop (for a few days... )

[radio230]

Batdude, I have sent you a PM asking for a little more info, your last post was very cryptic. I was not even sure what you are talking about.

W4rez, I will forward all information I have regarding my sale with emsdadtimbo towmorrow.

And, of course, a howdy hello to emsdadtimbo. If you are curious, my Ebay username is "csa230". Have a nice day, sir.

[w4rez]

I've quit communicating with him now. But earlier tonight, in response to being asked why suddenly all of his "OEM" auctions vanished, he responded with this:

The only reason my listings changed is I ran out of inventory. The margins on OEM product are low, so I will only carry aftermarket products for Ebay sales from now on. You and your Batlabs buddies can focus on someone else now.

Uh huh....yeah buddy.

[Terry_Glover]

I just checked out this sellers listings on eBay, and if he can sell genuine Motorola batteries and accessories for the "Buy It Now" prices he's offering, well the merchandise *IS* either fake (most likely) or hot (doubtful).

Come on guys, when you see genuine new Moto accessories offered at these prices, a red flag should be visible from a mile away.

[bellersley]

As for type acceptance: Yes I know that these radios aren't type accepted (although some of the older ones do have a FCC ID) and are illegal to use on commercial, public safety, and GMRS frequencies. However, these radios are also quite popular on the ham bands, where type acceptance isn't required.

Things might be different in the USA, but up here in Canada, you cannot use a commercialy built radio on Amateur bands unless it has a type acceptance sticker. The only radios that don't require type acceptance to operate are home-brew radios. If that were the case, my FT60 (or any other ham radio) wouldn't have an FCC ID or an Indsutry Canada ID number.

[w4rez]

Things might be different in the USA, but up here in Canada, you cannot use a commercialy built radio on Amateur bands unless it has a type acceptance sticker. The only radios that don't require type acceptance to operate are home-brew radios. If that were the case, my FT60 (or any other ham radio) wouldn't have an FCC ID or an Indsutry Canada ID number.

Nearly anything electronic that's sold in the US must be accepted under Part 15. This isn't necessary for operation (in the amateur bands) but necessary before you can market and sell it here.

The way I understand Part 97: If you can get it on an amateur frequency and mode allowed by your license class, you can use it to transmit.

[bellersley]

The way I understand Part 97: If you can get it on an amateur frequency and mode allowed by your license class, you can use it to transmit.

Well, as I said, I've got no idea how things work down in the US. I enquired to Industry Canada about using commercial gear in the amateur bands when this topic came up in another forum. The inspector I spoke to told me that you can use commercial equipment in the amateur bands so long as it's been type accepted specifically for amateur radio use. I asked about public safety equipment (such as Motorola and the like). He said that as long as the equipment is able to operate in the amateur bands without modification, there's no problem.

So that pretty much means anything that doesn't involve "tweaking", which is just about everything these days.

[Grog]

The inspector I spoke to told me that you can use commercial equipment in the amateur bands so long as it's been type accepted specifically for amateur radio use.

Ok, so you can't

I asked about public safety equipment (such as Motorola and the like). He said that as long as the equipment is able to operate in the amateur bands without modification, there's no problem.

Ok, so you can.

So that pretty much means anything that doesn't involve "tweaking", which is just about everything these days.

Most of the new stuff covers the ham bands fully without "tweaking". Just pop in your freqs and away you go.

[KB1DRL]

In reference to ebay seller EMSDADTIMBO, I also bought a counterfit OEM battery from him. It was for an HT1000. The embossed /\/\ logo was missing from the back of the battery and the sticker was printed in a different type face than my other batteries. It also came with a belt clip. (I didn't think OEM ones did) Anyway, the batery seems to perform alright but I am looking for some real OEM ones (2 if anyone has some). I think I will take another member's advice and wait 89 days for feedback, assuming he still has an ebay account then.

[emsbuff3240]

I have bought a battery from him, it fits better on the radio than the /\/\ battery, it has more than advertized MAH capacity, I sent him a few e-mails about this as posted, but im satisfied, although the battery was mis advertized, it works better that I could have expected.

He said that he bought the batteries from /\/\'s "new" supplier , but hey it works...

[stay-con]

If you want to report possible fakes to Motorola you can contact the following...

Patrick L. Harrington
Manager of Intellectual Property Enforcement
Motorola Government and Enterprise Mobility Solutions
1301 E. Algonquin Road, SH-3P
Schaumburg, Illinois 60196
Email (correspondence): [email protected]
Telephone: (847) 576-2418
FAX: (847) 538-7163

You'll have to change the name though. Patrick is retiring from Motorola this week. After 33 years, he's headed off to a life of ease and retirement July 20th (This Friday.)

Jeff

[mr.syntrx]

export versions of some different US models and sells them much cheaper in the out of US market.

hence the ebay XTS 5000's from AU...

where the radio is about 1/2 price.....

About the only thing that's cheaper here. Everything else costs twice as much

The reason is probably that nobody buys them except state and federal government agencies, so they just flog 'em to everyone at the good price.

[FireCpt809]

If you want to report possible fakes to Motorola you can contact the following...

Patrick L. Harrington
Manager of Intellectual Property Enforcement
Motorola Government and Enterprise Mobility Solutions
1301 E. Algonquin Road, SH-3P
Schaumburg, Illinois 60196
Email (correspondence): [email protected]
Telephone: (847) 576-2418
FAX: (847) 538-7163

You'll have to change the name though. Patrick is retiring from Motorola this week. After 33 years, he's headed off to a life of ease and retirement July 20th (This Friday.)

Jeff

Im sure Nick DeLuca is going to be at his retirement party..NOT

Whats Pat going to do with all the XTS's everyone sent him when he sent out the letter of doom??

[Batwings21]

Sell them on Ebay of course! Along with some gp68's

[CAPTLPOL]

If you want to report possible fakes to Motorola you can contact the following...

Patrick L. Harrington
Manager of Intellectual Property Enforcement
Motorola Government and Enterprise Mobility Solutions
1301 E. Algonquin Road, SH-3P
Schaumburg, Illinois 60196
Email (correspondence): [email protected]
Telephone: (847) 576-2418
FAX: (847) 538-7163

You'll have to change the name though. Patrick is retiring from Motorola this week. After 33 years, he's headed off to a life of ease and retirement July 20th (This Friday.)

Jeff

Im sure Nick DeLuca is going to be at his retirement party..NOT

Whats Pat going to do with all the XTS's everyone sent him when he sent out the letter of doom??

I wonder if Johnny Galaga ever got his back from Pat.

[mr.syntrx]

If Motorola does not enforce its territories, then it gives their international dealers an unfair advantage over domestic dealers, which leads to obvious antitrust issues.

Sales territories are legally not enforceable in a lot of places outside the USA, e.g. Australia and some parts of Europe.

[MTS2000des]

seems like since Pat retired, Motorola has slacked off their once aggressive enforcement of IP. anyone else notice the plethora of CPS turning up on that auction site lately?

[ab]

I would say your lucky day was when you pluged in the charger and your house didn't burn down

[Rayjk110]

Here's one for ya:
http://cgi.ebay.com/For-MOTOROLA-Mini-S ... dZViewItem

There's not even a rubber seal on the mic's connector. Groty!

[sq5ag]

This "thing" is even better:
http://qzbeifeng.en.alibaba.com/product ... owimg.html

It looks nearly like a GM350 with a Jedi speakermic. The "manufacturer" has not even put enough effort to make it look different from the original!
I wonder how the software for this thing looks like

And here you have the Chinese version of the GR300 repeater
http://qzbeifeng.en.alibaba.com/product ... owimg.html

[Hightower]

Here's one for ya:
http://cgi.ebay.com/For-MOTOROLA-Mini-S ... dZViewItem

There's not even a rubber seal on the mic's connector. Groty!

At least most of us know what to look for and how to spot a counterfeit /\/\otorola product, countless thousands of unsuspecting folks buy those cheap knockoffs.

[waverunner]

Funny how they're not actually advertising it as a Moto product in writing, only a "Compatible Motorola Radio Model." Although there is some attempted subterfuge going on with the trademark M emblem.

[RADIOMAN2002]

The Chinese versions of the GM-350 and GR 300 may actually be from the original manufacturer of the radio, who supplied Motorola. (they don't make their own radio's anymore, kinda like Federal Signal in the 70's a company called American radio made them) They all came from the Pacific Rim , so who knows? Just another note, some of the original satellite radio receivers I seen had the same chassis as the CDM line, make you wonder, doesn't it.

[FireCpt809]

I should know better .. I got burned by Timbo on Ebay on some " new" VHF MX thread antenna's . He sent me one that was " passable " as new if I didnt know better. The stripped thread on it made it useless. I contacted him and he did send out another one but this one had teeth marks on the top. I left negative feedback and filed a paypal compaint. NOW he wants to call me and work this out. Yea.....right. The feedback stands and I want my $12 back..

Here is his reply..

Thanks for the negative feedback you complete jerk! I better have the "defective" antenna back here within 5 workings days or I will pursue fraud charges of my own.


- emsdadtimbo


What a handjob...

[motofreak008]

Yea, I took a look at his feedback after reading this topic. He looks like a complete jerk. Selling counterfeit crap and then trying to tell you that its not counterfeit. HELLO, this is our hobby or even job, I think about any one of us could spot a fake.

And his communication skills need some improvement. Someone leaves a negative or neutral feedback and instead of owning up or politely explaining the situation, he makes the other person look completely stupid. I saw numerous times at how he treated people who must not have much feedback. He kept making snide rookie remarks.

Another thing I noticed is how many "wrong" addresses were sent to him. He must be out a lot of money because of the number of times that he had to "ship something twice". Yeah, okay, and my grandma just got done beating Michael Jordan at a game of 1 on 1. Any one could see that he is lying from his other mouth. I am just glad I have not had to deal with him and I feel bad for those who have. I totally back anybody up if they want to do something about him.

[commstar]

Probably a bit late on this but it seems to me that one could also contact DHS/CBP Customs- They have folks that just love this type of stuff.......

[com501]

The good thing about this whole thread is that sellers can no longer leave ANYTHING in feedback for a buyer except nothing or a positive as of May 19th on eBay. Since eBay changed their policies on feedback and scoring this type of seller will be run off in short order. Three negatives in a 30 day period will place ALL his listings at the bottom of search results AND they will hold his payment funds for up to 21 days among other things....

Good riddance!

[MTS2000des]

that's not always true. I bought a supposedly NIB T-Mobile phone from an Ebay "powerseller" who sent me a refurbished POS with a dead used battery...filed a Paypal dispute, got a refund, left this turdface an earned negative...he's has 36 negatives and 77 neutrals in the last 30 days alone...he is still selling on Ebay with no problems.

Ebay's policies are pure theater. they will let some douchebag like this sell and sell, as long as he is paying his overpriced seller and FVF's, he isn't going anywhere. The new policies only hurt the average person who lists 5-10 items a month. And Ebay would not rather be the venue it used to be.

[FireCpt809]

To follow up about Tim the tool..

I did follow up with the paypal complaint. In order to get my refund I had to send the handjob his antenna back, With delivery confirmation. After about 3 weeks I finally got my $13 back.