XTL Series w/ Analog Console
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XTL Series w/ Analog Console
Anyone familiar how to get some functionality out of the XTL series mobile to an analog console, specifically P25 ID to something a console could decode? I do not believe that the DIU3000 will do anything with PTT ID.
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Batwings21
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Re: XTL Series w/ Analog Console
What model console?
Re: XTL Series w/ Analog Console
I'm with Batwings21... You really need to define what console your thinking about connecting
to the DIU-3000.
As to how does the DIU-3000 work, I'll use the example of one channel of a MCC5500 which connects to a DIU3000 then to a Quantar base station at our Sheriff's console.
The DIU-3000 acts like a gate keeper between the Quantar in P25 mode and the console itself.
Once the Quantar is programmed to be in P25 mode, things like analog Tone Remote Control no longer exists (in the Quantar).
In our setup, our base stations are in another building from the DIU / console, so we ran a 9600 baud sync dedicated 4 wire bi-directional data path between each base station and the DIU3000 using dedicated lease line modems. Since we also run analog transmit and receive (called a mixed mode setup), we added a 4 wire audio circuit between the Quantars and the DIU-3000 module. (If you just want P25, then the 4 wires for analog are not needed.) If your DIU and base stations are in the same location, then you can provide a simple RJ45 ribbon cable between the interface connector on the front of the Quantar to the DIU itself (for the 9600 baud data path). Don't forget to use the toroids suppled with the base station on this data connection. The green LED on the front interface board will stop blinking green and go to a solid green once the 9600 baud path is established.
Everything your base station does (receive, transmit, channel changing) is done through the DIU3000.
The interface between the DIU3000 and your console is via 4 wire radio paths (Rx / Tx audios) and if your console supports
it, a digital link will also exist between the DIU and the console to provide a path for channel changes, mode of operation, options, passing of unit id information etc.
In lieu of this data path, the DIU3000 also supports stand alone Tone Remote Control tone decoding that, once pressed against a user defined list , it will give you a limited (by the number of fuction tones your remote can generate) command set of functions to do to you base station. This includes, selecting channels, selection of operating mode (digital or analog) encryption on-off. P25 digital information won't be passed to the console unless you have the digital link installed. I haven't listened to see if MDC tones pass through the DIU on its way to the console or not. Since our console has the digital link installed, and the MCC5500 is setup to use the Digital interface, it just works without messing with it (its plug and play).
You can also access the DIU3000 TRC functions while the DIU is normally talking with the Console via the digital link, to allow
remotes in the building access to the base station too. However, the DIU will only do one command at a time (console, or tone remote functions). Mixed mode received audio will be heard on the RX wires for the console and remotes in the building.
The digital stream between the DIU and console is a binary data stream, and I have not seen any kind of
decoded data information as to what comes out this stream to the console. I even talked with the console folks about it
at Motorola, and they didn't have any direct information as to the format of what is on this stream.
If you have any more questions on this, please PM me.
B.
to the DIU-3000.
As to how does the DIU-3000 work, I'll use the example of one channel of a MCC5500 which connects to a DIU3000 then to a Quantar base station at our Sheriff's console.
The DIU-3000 acts like a gate keeper between the Quantar in P25 mode and the console itself.
Once the Quantar is programmed to be in P25 mode, things like analog Tone Remote Control no longer exists (in the Quantar).
In our setup, our base stations are in another building from the DIU / console, so we ran a 9600 baud sync dedicated 4 wire bi-directional data path between each base station and the DIU3000 using dedicated lease line modems. Since we also run analog transmit and receive (called a mixed mode setup), we added a 4 wire audio circuit between the Quantars and the DIU-3000 module. (If you just want P25, then the 4 wires for analog are not needed.) If your DIU and base stations are in the same location, then you can provide a simple RJ45 ribbon cable between the interface connector on the front of the Quantar to the DIU itself (for the 9600 baud data path). Don't forget to use the toroids suppled with the base station on this data connection. The green LED on the front interface board will stop blinking green and go to a solid green once the 9600 baud path is established.
Everything your base station does (receive, transmit, channel changing) is done through the DIU3000.
The interface between the DIU3000 and your console is via 4 wire radio paths (Rx / Tx audios) and if your console supports
it, a digital link will also exist between the DIU and the console to provide a path for channel changes, mode of operation, options, passing of unit id information etc.
In lieu of this data path, the DIU3000 also supports stand alone Tone Remote Control tone decoding that, once pressed against a user defined list , it will give you a limited (by the number of fuction tones your remote can generate) command set of functions to do to you base station. This includes, selecting channels, selection of operating mode (digital or analog) encryption on-off. P25 digital information won't be passed to the console unless you have the digital link installed. I haven't listened to see if MDC tones pass through the DIU on its way to the console or not. Since our console has the digital link installed, and the MCC5500 is setup to use the Digital interface, it just works without messing with it (its plug and play).
You can also access the DIU3000 TRC functions while the DIU is normally talking with the Console via the digital link, to allow
remotes in the building access to the base station too. However, the DIU will only do one command at a time (console, or tone remote functions). Mixed mode received audio will be heard on the RX wires for the console and remotes in the building.
The digital stream between the DIU and console is a binary data stream, and I have not seen any kind of
decoded data information as to what comes out this stream to the console. I even talked with the console folks about it
at Motorola, and they didn't have any direct information as to the format of what is on this stream.
If you have any more questions on this, please PM me.
B.
Re: XTL Series w/ Analog Console
My appologies, I should have clarified. Console would most likely be a ZETRON 4020 or 4048.
Re: XTL Series w/ Analog Console
In that case, the only functionallity that your going to get is the tone remote interface that the DIU provides for 4 wire remotes. I don't believe the Zetron supplys an ACIM interface (or someting simular). Unless you see that the
Zetron says it supports this DIU-3000, getting P25 ID codes out of the DIU won't happen.
About the best you can do is program the TRC table in the DIU to follow standard tone remote fuction tones the Zetron can generate.
It will at least let you switch between P25 and or Analog and change channel in the Quantar. You do have a Quantar attached to the DIU-3000, right?
Have you read the DIU-3000 manual yet?
B.
Zetron says it supports this DIU-3000, getting P25 ID codes out of the DIU won't happen.
About the best you can do is program the TRC table in the DIU to follow standard tone remote fuction tones the Zetron can generate.
It will at least let you switch between P25 and or Analog and change channel in the Quantar. You do have a Quantar attached to the DIU-3000, right?
Have you read the DIU-3000 manual yet?
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a_j_b
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Re: XTL Series w/ Analog Console
Using an Moto branded base station, yes and no. If you can get away with a Kenwood, Harris/MACom, Tait radio Zetron has some interface options that will get you IDs back to the console.
Using the M branded radio, Zetron can get the P25 IDs out of the DIU but only on their pure VoIP console.
Using the M branded radio, Zetron can get the P25 IDs out of the DIU but only on their pure VoIP console.
Public Safety & LMR RF Systems Engineer