What these FLASHport options does do?

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MotoFAN
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What these FLASHport options does do?

Post by MotoFAN »

Guys,

I tried seaech, but did not found what these options does do?

- H345 H345 ASTRO 25 Trunking Radio Authentication
- Q507 12.5 kHz FCC Mandate

Forum contains a lot of mentions about Q507, but there is no simple answer what it exactly do.
I am biggest fan of XTS2500 and ASTRO Digital Saber.
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Re: What these FLASHport options does do?

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MotoFAN wrote:Guys,

I tried seaech, but did not found what these options does do?

- H345 H345 ASTRO 25 Trunking Radio Authentication
- Q507 12.5 kHz FCC Mandate

Forum contains a lot of mentions about Q507, but there is no simple answer what it exactly do.

H345 H345 ASTRO 25 Trunking Radio Authentication - A new security level for trunking.

Right now when you turn on a radio on a trunking system. The radio (SU) sends a message on the control channel to system (FNE). The message says that I am radio ID x, trying to get on WACN x, System X RFSS (zone) x. The FNE checks that information and if it matches what is in the database you are allowed on the system.
Right now there is nothing that stops you from have 2 or more radios programmed the same way (as long as they are not on at the same time). The FNE has no way of knowing what radio is sending the information.

With P25 Trunking Radio Authentication, it adds another layer. Radio A and B have the same radio ID on the same radio system (FNE). You take your KVL4000 (or other P25 KVL that supports the P25 standard feature) and connect to Radio A. You then enter the radio ID, WACN and System #. The radio generates a random AES KEY and sends it to Radio A. Radio A saves it and accociates it with that WACN and System (This key is kept infinitely. It does not erase when you erase other keys and does not erase when the radio is flashed). The KVL also saves the key, Radio ID, WACN system. The KVL is then connected to the radio authentication server on the FNE via modem or pluged directly in to it. The KVL transfers the information to the servers.

So now you turn on Radio A. It sends the same message as before to the FNE. Radio ID, WACN, System. The FNE verifies that and if it verifies, the FNE now asks for the KEY. Radio A sends the key. If the key matches the key loaded in the server for THAT radio, the radio is allowed on the system.

If the key does not match or the radio cannot provide a key it is not allowed on the system.
Every key is random and you cannot have duplicate keys. If you try to load Radio B with the same Radio ID, WACN and System, the KVL with generate a new random key which will either not match Radio A or not match what is in the server.

A system can be set up 3 ways.
1. Radio Authentication off - it never check for a key (way things are now)
2. Partial Authentication - once a ID has been loaded in the server with a key, that ID always must provide it. (way most systems that will use authentication will go)
3. Full Authentication - all radio must have a key in the server.
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Re: What these FLASHport options does do?

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MotoFAN wrote:Guys,

I tried seaech, but did not found what these options does do?

- H345 H345 ASTRO 25 Trunking Radio Authentication
- Q507 12.5 kHz FCC Mandate

Forum contains a lot of mentions about Q507, but there is no simple answer what it exactly do.
A radio that has this option, does nothing different now. Once Motorola releases a the firmware and CPS that uses this option, you will no longer be able to program any 25 kHz bandwidth frequency. This will only apply to VHF and UHF frequencies mandated by FCC narrowbanding requirements.

The reason this is an option is Narrowbanding does not apply to Federal/DOD agencies and radios grandfathered for narrowbanding
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