DES and DES-XL on Saber 1?

[PRNJ]

Hello everyone,

Will 2 Motorola Sabers, One with a straight DES Module and one with a DES-XL Module talk to each other? I have a keyloader and cable on the way but I'm trying to source DES Modules and wasn't sure about compatibility between the two.

Any info on this? Thanks!

[RadioSouth]

In theory it should work, the XL option in the codeplug needs to be set to 'off' it it isnt already. The KVL on it's way is a DES/DES-XL algorithym ?

[PRNJ]

In theory it should work, the XL option in the codeplug needs to be set to 'off' it it isnt already. The KVL on it's way is a DES/DES-XL algorithym ?

Hi,

Yes, It's a T3011DX that does both DES and DES-XL. Thanks for the info, I'll have the programmer disable XL as I never knew that was possible!

Also, Can a system saber securenet module talk to a saber 1 with in secure mode? Are the modules somehow different or not compatible between system sabers and regular sabers?

[FireCpt809]

Saber and System saber Modules are exactly the same.

[PRNJ]

Saber and System saber Modules are exactly the same.

That's great, Thanks!


I was able to get 4 Motorola System Saber 3's with straight DES and 2 Motorola Saber 1's with DES-XL along with a KVL T3011-DX for about $550 total. Can't wait until they arrive to test everything out

Was this a decent deal?

[d119]

They will communicate with each other just fine. You will need to disable XL on the units with DES-XL in them.

Expect significant coverage reduction on the non-XL format. Additionally, it doesn't work through standard repeaters either.

[PRNJ]

They will communicate with each other just fine. You will need to disable XL on the units with DES-XL in them.

Expect significant coverage reduction on the non-XL format. Additionally, it doesn't work through standard repeaters either.

Yep, I heard that DES will result in less coverage.

But that's the tradeoff I guess

[MattSR]

Yep, I heard that DES will result in less coverage.

Technically speaking, its not DES that kills the coverage, its securenet itself..

[AEC]

The -XL notation is the secure equivalent of a range extender for the Securenet system, both radios wil talk in secure mode, but if only one radio has the -XL module, you will need to disable this feature in the codeplug for those channels.