Citizen's Band in VHF High?

craig · Post by **craig** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 5:12 pm

Several months ago on on this discussion board I saw a topic about the FCC releasing new VHF High citizen band frequencies. Does anybody know anything about these? I knopw about the 215mhz ones, but I think I recall someone talking about something in the 100's. Can anyone help? Thanks.

Craig

N4UMJ · Post by **N4UMJ** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 6:05 pm

I had the MURS frequencies down as:

151.820
151.880
151.940
154.570
154.600

Check this link out....

http://www.provide.net/~prsg/murs_faq.htm

Funny thing I have'nt heard any more about the MURS Frequencies. I know Motorola opposed this at the beginning since it was sharing the same business frequencies.

I went to the FCC Personal Radio Pages and looked for several minutes and could not locate anything about MURS. Is this thing still alive ?

Ed Bryant

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 6:12 pm

Yea MURS is still alive you can do anything you want on these freq's voice, data, repeaters,etc. just as long as stay within 2 watts and on specified freq's. i did not see anything about foul language, etc. in the rules but i am sure that you must observe standard operating procedures.

Hope This Helps

Reguards

Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) (aka: Batman)

EC-7 · Post by **EC-7** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 8:48 pm

Does anyone know the exact freq's or range of the 215Mhz if that is true. I use 154.600 with a simplex repeater and pl and it works ok. Not bad for Motorola Spirit handhelds that you can get at any swap for dirt cheap. The only problem is the other users who make it sound like CB or FRS. I just hope we don't start hearing those cheap ECHO...ECHO...ECHO mikes BEEP!

Post by **alex** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 9:05 pm

I don't care about that all that much. Just keep the annoying little beeps that those radios make to alert a user or something like that - they are almost more annoying. Ok, Echo mics are annoying too...

-Alex

Post by **HumHead** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 9:26 pm

Motorola withdrew their petition to cancel the service backin late June or early July 2001. However, they are still asking that the service be limited to voice only, repeaters be banned, detachable antennas be banned, connection to the PSTN be banned, etc.

Additionally, like FRS, you are only supposed to use transcievers specifically type accepted for MURS.

The channels are all 11.25KHz, except for 154.570 and 154.600, which are 12.5KHz.

You wish they'd free up a couple of simplex channels is VHF and UHF for use with "conventional" radios........

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 9:50 pm

Does anyone really care...I mean about 12.5 or so much or so forth amount of bandwidth etc.... I wonder why they put these rediculous restrictions in place. Has anyone really made sure their HT is set to 2 watts instead of 5 in MURS band. Really!!!!

As long as you aren't throwing off nasty harmonics and operating at 50 or 100 watts who cares....

My 2 cents worth....
for some reason I just felt like ranting..please excuse me.

Will · Post by **Will** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 12:46 am

If everyone behaved themselvs, we would have NOT lost the DOT frequencies to the MURS.
MURS rules state 2 watts max period,antenna must be attached directly to the radio and not have any gain, NO repeaters and may use 25 khz channel spacing/5khz deviation alowing most DOT radios to be used, including most Spirit radios.
As for your remark about transmit power, one hell of a lot of pepole run upwards of 100 watts on these channels and the FRS, and thum their noses at the Feds. WE CATCH THEM because the honest legitamate users complain.
Why can't we ALL follow the rules, these frequencies are what we call LPI, low power industrial, for short range use so everyone can share the few frequencies we STILL have.

THIS IS NOT CITIZENS BAND________ period.

K2XM · Post by **K2XM** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:47 am

On 2002-01-07 23:48, EC-7 wrote:
Does anyone know the exact freq's or range of the 215Mhz if that is true.

WHAT???? There are no CB freqs at 215mhz!!!

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 8:46 am

Thats what i thought on 215mc k2xm. I think that band was used for that experimental narrow band technology(A.C.S.B.)in a trunking format. ACSB has probably been outdated by Apco 25 by now.

thanks humhead for the correction on bandwidth. I new it was something like that.

And as for Big "M" and Crap Shack they should stay out of MURS let the FCC deal with it.MURS in my opinion is the best thing the FCC could have done.I mean really are you gonna reach across a flea market,mall, or amusement park using .5w on UHF. 27mc is too noisy GMRS license is too expensive for the average person.The Radios for murs are cheap,No license needed and they offer a decent amount of Tx power, although i agree with mancow 5w would be better this would allow you to use High Tier (Saber's) Big "M" Equipment for this service.

Just my .02 cents worth

Robert P. Chrysafis (kc8gpd) (batman)

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jim · Post by **jim** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 11:14 am

It really pis$%& me off that the FCC ever allowed FRS in the UHF band. These are CHOICE frequencies for commercial and public safety use. The band is almost full around here. We need these frequencies- not some kid that wants to talk to his friends in the club house. They should have stuck the FRS in the lower 400's or ANYWHERE except in the middle of where we need them.
I hear many radios on FRS that I know aren't legal power, especially during hunting season! I'll hear one hunter describe to another where he's at and sometimes it's 5 to 7 miles away!

Post by **HumHead** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 1:06 pm

Hey Will-

I think you and I were looking at two very different sets of rules for MURS.

Personally, I hope that mine is the outdated information(the last time I bookmarked anything was August).

I find the idea of being able to legally use the channels in an existing "real" radio (with the appropriate output power) much more appealing than having to buy and carry dedicated type accepted "toy" radios.

I'm also unable to find anything on the FCC site. Can you cite the source for your understanding of the rules? I believe that mine was originally from a different section of the provide.net site cited above.

I'd be quite happy to be the one who is wrong here

Tom in D.C. · Post by **Tom in D.C.** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:28 pm

Not to stir things up, but there are God-knows-how-many legal FCC licensees operating on 154.600 which predate MURS. I don't expect that any of these people plan on giving up their operations on that frequency because MURS now says you need type acceptance, sliver-band operation, etc.

Nice planning, huh?

Tom, W2NJS
...in D.C.

RadioSouth · Post by **RadioSouth** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:36 pm

Not to mention all those drive thru windows using 154.57 and 154.60. Anyone know who made the proposal for MURS ? 11.25 isn't much narrower than 12.5- sounds like some company that wanted to make sure existing equipt. wouldn't be acceptable for MURS.

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:17 am

My information on MURS radio tech standards comes from the FCC and is buried in the rules and regs.
And I have a lot of customers who are legitamatly licensed on Busness band on the 154.57 and .60 channels who are having to put up with all the high power pirates and not to mention all the MURS ??? radios/users. They are NOT going to give in, we fight back, and go after the pirates and such.

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:23 am

95.401 * * * * *
(f) The Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS) -- a private, two-way, short-distance voice, data or image communications service for personal or business activities of the general public. The rules for this service are contained in subpart J of this part.

95.631 Emission types.
* * * * *
(j) A MURS station may transmit any emission type as specified in 90.207 of this Chapter.

95.639 Maximum transmitter power.
* * * * *
(h) No MURS unit, under any condition of modulation, shall exceed 2 watts effective radiated power (ERP).

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 1:20 am

On 2002-01-08 18:36, RadioSouth wrote:
Not to mention all those drive thru windows using 154.57 and 154.60. Anyone know who made the proposal for MURS ? 11.25 isn't much narrower than 12.5- sounds like some company that wanted to make sure existing equipt. wouldn't be acceptable for MURS.

Quite a few fast-food drive thru windows are around 35.33Mhz..Some dept. stores are using VHF & UHF low pwr! at least down here.

Post by **HumHead** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:57 am

Amazing.

I'm having a slow day in the office, and for some inexplicable reason, this topic has been bugging me, so I figured I'd give the FCC a call and get the straight answers from the horse's mouth.

Folks, it's just not going to happen.

The best they could do was point me to the provide.net link mentioned above, and told me to look at CFR 95.1301 (j) and CFR 95.1303 on their rules and regulations link. When I pointed out that neither these sections, nor the sections quoted by Will above were listed, I was told that the web site was not up to date. When I asked where I could find further information, I was told to "try looking around the web site". Amazing.

The FCC can't explain their rules, and the IRS can't answer questions about the tax code correctly, but we're all expected to get it right the first time, every time, or else? Yeeesh!!

Does anyone need a slightly used soapbox? I'm done with it for the moment.

Tom in D.C. · Post by **Tom in D.C.** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:27 pm

For RadioEd and anyone else who is interested, the HME and other fast food drive through systems use 35 mHz AND 154 mHz for full duplex comms without having to bother with desensing, cavities, etc.

The new 3M, gray colored, all-in-one transceivers operate on 900 mHz. Most of the McDonald's in the DC area are using these units now.

Tom, W2NJS
...in D.C.

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 8:48 pm

On 2002-01-10 21:27, Tom in D.C. wrote:
For RadioEd and anyone else who is interested, the HME and other fast food drive through systems use 35 mHz AND 154 mHz for full duplex comms without having to bother with desensing, cavities, etc.

The new 3M, gray colored, all-in-one transceivers operate on 900 mHz. Most of the McDonald's in the DC area are using these units now.

Tom, W2NJS
...in D.C.

Hi Tom! I just look it up in the AZ. Freq. Dir. (just as an example) MacDonalds 35.020Mhz Output - Input is: 154.600Mhz and it checks out! Guess they have to sell some more burgers to get up to 900Mhz?

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craig · Post by **craig** » Fri Jan 11, 2002 7:21 am

Thank you to everyone for all of the information. I was wrong about the 215mhz freq.s. They are not CB either and I didn't mean to confuse anyone with my ignorance. I hope the FCC chooses to update their site with the latest on the MURS frequencies. As stated earlier, it would be great to be able to use a conventional 25 or 12.5 spread radio. Especially for those of us who use these radios as part of our jobs already.