NOAA Weather Tone alert.

Doc51 · Post by **Doc51** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:32 pm

Can anyone tell me what the tone freq. is for the NOAA weather alert tone.And can it be programmed into a Minitor pager?
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Dkouz · Post by **Dkouz** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:08 pm

1050 Hz

RadioSouth · Post by **RadioSouth** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:08 pm

1050 Hz it's a non-standard tone but had no problem finding a reed for my Minitor II in this freq.

kydeputy1463 · Post by **kydeputy1463** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:18 am

We have some of these converted Minitor II's here in our school system they really don't perform that well. For the inital cost it would be much more cost effective to just buy a small pocket NOAA radio that has all the frequencies. This way you will have the ability to receive alerts anywhere you go. Just my thoughts.

k4wtf · Post by **k4wtf** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:23 am

It would be interesting to set my VHF Systems Saber III up for this operation. Can anyone tell me how to set this up on a SCANNED personality? IE; Say I have Zone 1, mode 1 set up to autoscan a few personalities. Is it possible to have it skip the NOAA personalities (not only don't unmute but, continue scanning) unless it sees the tone?

Thanks,

John

Jay911 · Post by **Jay911** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:21 am

Wouldn't it be Signalling AND - or would that only work if the frequency in question had a PL code?

--j.

nmfire10 · Post by **nmfire10** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:45 am

It's not a PL tone. It is an alert tone, just like the long B tone of QC-II.

The problem with scanning and alert tones is that it may not have the correct timing to allow the decode of the alert tone. Same thing comes into play when you have fire pager scanning with tone alert.

Jay911 · Post by **Jay911** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:58 am

It's not a PL tone. It is an alert tone, just like the long B tone of QC-II.

I know that... my comment refers to setting the QCII signalling to "AND" so that it only opens up when the carrier and the QCII signalling is present. I was asking if that would work, or if AND muting would work without PL (i.e. just with CSQ). I've only ever used it with a frequency that has PL codes, so I don't know if it'll work with CSQ (I'm assuming that, like the Canadian equivalent, your NOAA weather frequencies don't have a PL/CTCSS tone).

--j.

CTAMontrose · Post by **CTAMontrose** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:10 am

the problem with scanning with QCII, is unless you happen to scan by at the exact moment they blow the tone, your radio would remain muted anyway and you would miss the message.

The same would be true of fire paging tones, prolly the reason /\/\ never emplemented it anyway.

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:07 am

Hello.

The NWS now runs SAME, as well as the 1050Hz tone.
SAME is a data burst that contains most of the information you want.
To set up a radio for weather, when pagers the size of a watch, with scrolling digital display, for under $50 are out?
You have your watch set for page, than turn on your radio, works for me.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:13 pm

Cowthief wrote:The NWS now runs SAME, as well as the 1050Hz tone.

Not in all areas.
MANY NWS offices in New York State don't use SAME. As a matter of fact, the NWS station that covers the ten-county area in which I reside doesn't use SAME or the 1050 tone.

We don't have a SKYWARN program out here either, despite the tornado that rips down Main Street every year or the severe weather cause by the 3-5 hurricanes that hit the Northeast every year.

k4wtf · Post by **k4wtf** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:43 pm

Bob wrote:We don't have a SKYWARN program out here either, despite the tornado that rips down Main Street every year or the severe weather cause by the 3-5 hurricanes that hit the Northeast every year.

If you've got your amateur license, contact the NWS and your local news weather folks and start your own SKYWARN program.

John

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:22 pm

k4wtf wrote:If you've got your amateur license, contact the NWS and your local news weather folks and start your own SKYWARN program.

NWS has no interest in it here. Probably for the same reasons they don't use SAME or the 1050 tone for weather alerts: the folks who run the show out here are lazy. They've been approached several times by different people about all of these issues, and nobody can get a straight answer. With the amount of time I spend on the road in this town, I could be quite valuable as a weather spotter.

Ham radio as a whole is pretty much a joke around here. We have once decent repeater and a couple mediocre machines. We have a multi-site system that's commonly referred to as the Mega-$#it because everything is home-brew and the quality sucks. How about Nets? People around here don't even know what one is. Alex can speak to that. The only thing around here that's even remotely interesting is HF, and that's only because I live near one of the highest points in the County. Because there's nothing of interest around here above 6 meters, I don't have enough interest in ham radio anymore for me to upgrade. I remember sitting in my grandfather's shack 20 years ago, trying to get the Drake twins tuned in just right and making contacts in South Africa and Russia. Now, you'd be lucky to find someone to acknowledge you.

Let's face it: Ham radio ain't what it used to be.

BTW, I still have the Drake twins if anyone is interested in them. I'm not gonna ever use them, and the AWA museum (10 minute drive from me) doesn't want them.
73
-KC2HXD

KC8UWK · Post by **KC8UWK** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:29 am

This is for the person from NY that has a interest in skywarn and no one else does. Is there a ARES group? If not there is another two options. One is there a emergency services unit with in the county? You could start one by talking to the County Sheriffs department. Two if you need better equipment. You can apply for a ARES repeater grant through I believe its wither FEMA or Homeland Security.
Thank you everyone for there replys
KC8UWk a.k.a. Doc51.

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:14 pm

Hello.

Never fear, the little weather pagers will also do 1050 Hz alarm, but they only beep.
In San Antonio, Texas, the weather service is very open minded.
I have posted weather warnings several times in the past, going as far as making the actual recordings.
Depending on where you live, there is usually a director who in in charge of working with other groups.

nmfire10 · Post by **nmfire10** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:32 pm

Well, what do you know. He is also a meteorologist AND he makes the recordings for NOAA weather radios.

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:30 pm

Hello.

Actually, I know very little about weather.
What I do know, how to read script in broadcast, you know,,, radio?!
The point being, talk to the people who run the local NWS office, as someone who can help you, and they will.
This is true of all things.
And, most weather reports are now made by this talking computer thing, that is OK but could spound better.

raymond345 · Post by **raymond345** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:13 am

This topic was on the thread here before about the
weather alert 1050hz

Many of a motorola HT1000 had the single tone
of 1050 programmed into the portable as decode
and encode.They put 6 secs on the side
button with the encode time to set
off other noaa receivers and then they would
put a message over the HT1000 for the other
cheap rx units.($35.00 units)super cheap
pager with a great alert tone.No air time to pay.

We have a super low warning area here.We only
set off the noaa for tests only but all of Canada
is part of the PLAN.

.

Dispatcher85 · Post by **Dispatcher85** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:54 pm

Dumb question but I thought minitors needed a set of two tones to activate the pager? I am new at this so go easy.....

RadioSouth · Post by **RadioSouth** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:08 pm

Don't know the logistics but have seen Minitor II's set up for Singletone.
When working outside here in the Lightning Capitol I carry a KeyNote
set to NOAA but they usually tone out after the fact.

Gocart878 · Post by **Gocart878** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:44 pm

http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/pager.html CLICK ON WEATHER ALERT RADIOS.

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