Dear all,
I got a Saber II VHF from Canada which have the following information from RSS:
H43QXJ7139CN
CORE Ver.: 6D
COPE Ver.: 5C
CORE Patch ID: 02
COPE Patch ID: 00
48 channels,
when I open the housing, it have the keypad inside which should be programmed 120 channels (as I saw it is CN version). However, when I create a new file which will be CORE in 5D not 6D, and it enhanced the H670 - Omit Memory 2k Memory Option. Is it only 2k not 8k (CN)?
Thanks!!
Saber II problem
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S2 questions...
Forget the CN. The CN only means that the radio will scan, IF
it's an S2 or S3.
A QXJ Saber is a Saber 2.
To reprogram it as a Saber 3 you may want to read the
procedure for doing so on http://www.batlabs.com, under "Model
Specific information", then click on Saber I, II, III.
The RSS will not change the radio's COPE or CORE setup. Those
are in the firmware.
While you're in the Batlabs section, there is also information on
how to correctly identify a Saber 3 front shield, so if you check
this you can be certain that your radio is capable of being
upgraded to a Saber 3.
it's an S2 or S3.
A QXJ Saber is a Saber 2.
To reprogram it as a Saber 3 you may want to read the
procedure for doing so on http://www.batlabs.com, under "Model
Specific information", then click on Saber I, II, III.
The RSS will not change the radio's COPE or CORE setup. Those
are in the firmware.
While you're in the Batlabs section, there is also information on
how to correctly identify a Saber 3 front shield, so if you check
this you can be certain that your radio is capable of being
upgraded to a Saber 3.
Tom in D.C.
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Tom is 100 % correct!
The Saber came in several 'flavors' over the years, and the Saber II was the bastard child so to speak, they gave it 48 channels, then 72 channels, then added scan on one zone but chewed up memory to drop it to 36 channels if scan was enabled on a zone.
The 2K memory is easy to spot.....there is no 3-pin connector running from the right rear side of the module to the speaker/mic assy.
Plus there is NO tone generator chip either, as the Saber II with the 2K memory does not have DTMF capability and will not program either.
The older models had a front shield with only the top 3 buttons active, and the keypad flex was only a strip with three buttons, not the entire keypad as found on later models of the same configuration, and the memory was left at 8K X 8 as well, which after a codeplug rewrite, you could get 120 channels, and possibly scan as well if the core was late enough in design.
The other way to determine if the radio was of earlier manufacture was that the early Saber IIs needed the top three buttons depressed to place the radio into program mode, later revisions removed this operation and you no longer had to press them to program the radio.
Always read the radio first, then look at the original radio configuration to see what the model actually is, then save and write your own data to the radio, using a different labelling procedure to save the original codeplug from overwrite and destruction in case you need to return the radio to its original configuration due to a programming mishap.
Even the 'updated' Saber IIs that retained the 2K memory option have the full keypad, but are still unable to make use of it as the radio does not have the memory to prgram the data..
A fully programmed Saber II with 48 channels and PL/DPL tones added will leave you with about 30 bytes of available memory, at least that's how much I show after mine was programmed.
48 channels, PL/DPL frequencies, MDC, ANI, channel display names...this alone eats up 99.5 % of the available memory, in mine at least, this is so.
If yor display/memory board has all 5 chips and the 3-pin header leading to the spkr/mic, then you have the standard 8K memory, and the radio will do 120 channels.
After you have created a fresh codeplug, and while attempting to program, the RSS reports an error, disable options you do not need, one by one and retry programming as certain options were never mask programmed into the memory for use in certain models.
With the 2K option, you can't have autodial, or manual telephone interconnect, nor selective PL/DPL, or any scan lists.
You can have mode slaved scan 2.2 as reported by the RSS for that model, but you can't have display names active, the two are incompatible and will not allow the radio to be programmed.
Only standard options that are available can be programmed, and only if that model supports that option or options.
And NEVER install ANY encryption modules of the NTN4711, or NTN4712 variety, they do NOT work and can cause the radio damage.
I have one that just came in that has this very same trouble.
The Saber came in several 'flavors' over the years, and the Saber II was the bastard child so to speak, they gave it 48 channels, then 72 channels, then added scan on one zone but chewed up memory to drop it to 36 channels if scan was enabled on a zone.
The 2K memory is easy to spot.....there is no 3-pin connector running from the right rear side of the module to the speaker/mic assy.
Plus there is NO tone generator chip either, as the Saber II with the 2K memory does not have DTMF capability and will not program either.
The older models had a front shield with only the top 3 buttons active, and the keypad flex was only a strip with three buttons, not the entire keypad as found on later models of the same configuration, and the memory was left at 8K X 8 as well, which after a codeplug rewrite, you could get 120 channels, and possibly scan as well if the core was late enough in design.
The other way to determine if the radio was of earlier manufacture was that the early Saber IIs needed the top three buttons depressed to place the radio into program mode, later revisions removed this operation and you no longer had to press them to program the radio.
Always read the radio first, then look at the original radio configuration to see what the model actually is, then save and write your own data to the radio, using a different labelling procedure to save the original codeplug from overwrite and destruction in case you need to return the radio to its original configuration due to a programming mishap.
Even the 'updated' Saber IIs that retained the 2K memory option have the full keypad, but are still unable to make use of it as the radio does not have the memory to prgram the data..
A fully programmed Saber II with 48 channels and PL/DPL tones added will leave you with about 30 bytes of available memory, at least that's how much I show after mine was programmed.
48 channels, PL/DPL frequencies, MDC, ANI, channel display names...this alone eats up 99.5 % of the available memory, in mine at least, this is so.
If yor display/memory board has all 5 chips and the 3-pin header leading to the spkr/mic, then you have the standard 8K memory, and the radio will do 120 channels.
After you have created a fresh codeplug, and while attempting to program, the RSS reports an error, disable options you do not need, one by one and retry programming as certain options were never mask programmed into the memory for use in certain models.
With the 2K option, you can't have autodial, or manual telephone interconnect, nor selective PL/DPL, or any scan lists.
You can have mode slaved scan 2.2 as reported by the RSS for that model, but you can't have display names active, the two are incompatible and will not allow the radio to be programmed.
Only standard options that are available can be programmed, and only if that model supports that option or options.
And NEVER install ANY encryption modules of the NTN4711, or NTN4712 variety, they do NOT work and can cause the radio damage.
I have one that just came in that has this very same trouble.