Converting XTL5K 05 & W3 to 03

[Astroboy]

Hi there Guys

We have some XTL5000 05 Control Head Local Radios
We would like to convert into 03 Radios but to Remote cable Trunk Mount.
I know they will need to be flashed and upgraded thats no problem,
But could someone please help me with some part numbers.

Also we have some XTL5000 W7 radios too and would like to turn them into Remote 03's As well
I am sure we will need like new face plates Remote Cable and 03 Mic.

PMUN1034B should be the Mic Part Number but once again some help with the other part numbers would be appreciated.

Cheers

AB

[agtkgv]

I am currently working on this and per Mot Parts, the best way is to order the H1818A, O5 dash to remote kit, and then the PMUN1034B O3 HHCH. The dash to remote kite will have a few extra parts, like the back for the 05, but I think its still better than trying to get all the parts. Its also an above pricebook item. As far as getting a firmware change, I think if you have an O5, you shouldn't need a change for an O3 but I might be mistaken. Will let you know when my parts arrive.

[Astroboy]

Thanks for that
When you do get your H1818A Would you do me the biggest of favours and post the indivial part numbers that come with it,
i dont think i can order a H1818A from Mol that would be more of a sales order thpe thing for a complete radio as far as i can imagine,

I have had this option mentioned to i think to do the w to new type # H1822B


Thanks

AB

[dirtrat]

If you are converting from a W series to a 03/05 control head and have a secure module then you will also need to order a new secure module interface board. There are certain steps that need to be done to make this work. There will not be any instructions in these kits on how to do this. Also you will need to order new firmware seperately. I've never gone from a 03 to 05 or 05 to o3 but it seems that would be easier to do. I have done the conversion from W to 05 though.

[akardam]

The XTL5000 CPS allows you to change head type at will. The software has claimed in the past that changing to/from a W3/O3 HHCH is not currently supported, but I've heard of people making it work and the later versions do not seem to complain about it.

Generally, if you're going through this proceedure, having the latest CPS and making sure the radios have the latest firmware before you begin the proceedure, is highly recommended.

What parts you will need depends on what the current configuration of the radios is. You mentioned you currently have some O series dash mount heads and some W series heads. I'll proceed along those lines.

(Just to note, these part numbers are based on information available in the latest service manuals and MOL notes. Several calls to Parts ID might be necessary. There also may be kits to do the job, as opposed to buying individual parts. Your mileage may vary. You've been warned. No turning back past this point. Here there be dragons. Etc., etc., etc.)

As was stated before, you will need to make sure that you have an O series compatable secure carrier. Your dash mount O series head config probably already have these boards, if they are provisioned for secure. The W series head config may not. In any case here are the current part numbers:

HLN6919B - Secure Carrier 30 Second Retention
MHLN6918B - Secure Carrier 3 Day Retention

For the front end of the radio, you'll need the following (should work on any power level drawer):

(6) 0310944A14 - TIB Screw
(1) PMUN1036A - Tranciever Interface Board
(1) 3264121H01 - TIB Seal/Gasket
(1) 1564119H01 - O Series Front Housing (Remote Config)
(2) 0364332H02 - O Series Front Housing Screws

(From the manual, it is unclear if PMUN1036A is just the TIB or the whole front remote mount kit minus the Housing Screws. A call to parts ID would be in order [or you could just order one and see what it comes with]. It's only slightly more expensive than the W series TIB so that leads me to believe it's not a kit.)

In additon to the previously mentioned PMUN1034B O3 Control Head Kit, if you want to mount the radio body in the trunk, you may need the PMLN4958A O3 Control Head 17' Extension cable, and I believe you will also need the PMLN4959A O3 Accessory cable for interfacing items such as the speaker, emergency line (if any), ignition sense, and DEK (if any).

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

[Astro Spectra]

I’ve found the P/N PMUN1036A label attached to the outside of the Odyssey plastic front housing that contains the TIB or more than one occasion so I would suspect that part number is for the whole assembly.

[akardam]

Ok, that's good to know. Thanks for the info.

[Astroboy]

thats a 1st M creating a simple part number for a number of items,
i know w series mobils have the front housing and interconnect boards as different numbers.

Nice to see if this is right, and i am ordering all the bits from MOL and will keep you up to date.

Cheers

[lvfdfirebean]

I have an XTL 5000 with the 05 remote mounted head I am attempting to convert to a 03 head, PMUN1034B is the correct part for the 03 control head, however it dosnt have a speaker. With the 05 there was a plug for the speaker on the back of the head and now I have no where to plug it in. I had ordered PLMN4959A from motorola thinking it would allow me to plug in the speaker and I have no idea what that monsterous cable is for but its definatly not a speaker. Does anybody know what I need so I can finally get some sound? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim B

[agtkgv]

Yea, you need to use he accessory connector on the back of the radio for the audio connection.

[lvfdfirebean]

But how, the accesory connector plug is nothing like the one on the motorola speaker? is there some kind of adapter thats needed and if so do you know the part number?

[agtkgv]

Do you have the accessory connector it has 3 wires coming from it. 1 red wire for ignition sense, and then one that looks like 2 conductor lamp cord with a 2 conductor female amp connector. The amp connector plugs into the speaker.

[jmr061]

I will post of a pic of the O3 setup later in the day.

Jason

[jmr061]

Ok here are some pics:
Dash mount setup


Remote Mount Setup


Parts



17 Foot Control Head Extension


Remote Mount Cable (DB25 with Ign and Speaker cable attachment)


Ignition and Speaker Cable (for dash mount and remote mount)



Front of Radio



I will add some part numbers via the edit mode a bit later but you can see most of the cable part numbers for now.

Jason

[4n6inv]

$714.00 for an O-3 control head????? NFW!!!! I nearly had a stroke when I saw that. And, that's NSO! Holy Cow! Over $900.00 retail. I don't know whether to go to bed, or if I just woke up from a REALLY bad dream!

[jmr061]

Would you like a pic posted of the gold HHCH in action, lol.

Jason

[GEMOTO]

KB9KST,

Was than Radio an XTL5000 with an O3 control head? Would it work with a W7 XTL5000?

I have an XTL2500 with an O5 control head. If I bought the cables and the O3 head could I just plug it in and would it work?

[jmr061]

I have no idea if the XTL2500 supports the O3 head or not. The radio pictured was a W4 XTL5k and after buying all the parts will be an O3 XTL5k. There internal flex cable to connect the tib to the radio is on backorder for a month however. Can't power it up till then.

Jason

[Jason]

KB9KST,

Was than Radio an XTL5000 with an O3 control head? Would it work with a W7 XTL5000?

I have an XTL2500 with an O5 control head. If I bought the cables and the O3 head could I just plug it in and would it work?

I dont think you'll get anywhere. The fields neccessary to setup the O5/O3 arent even in an XTL2500 codeplug.

The XTL2500 uses an M5 head type (similar to O5, but not the same), only ships with that one head. Ill test your theory and let you know what happens, but I dont think the radio will recognize the head.

[GEMOTO]

I read out my W7 XTL5000. I could not find where the field is to tell it to use an O3 or an O5 type control head.

[jmr061]

You have to go to the menu bar.

TOOLS>CHANGE CONTROL HEAD

Jason

[Astro Spectra]

Jason and KB9KST,

I've tried swapping heads between a XTL 2500 with a M5 head and a XTL 5000 with an O5 and either way you just get an error message on the display. I think it is "incorrect head version".

[jmr061]

I only have experience with 5000 not a 2500. I imagine the software for the heads are different. I've never heard of a HHCH for the 2500 either.

Jason

[alex]

The only control head that I am aware of for a 2500 is a M5 (I believe it's "M"). The radio codeplug supports no other heads that I am aware of at this time.

-Alex

[jmr061]

The TIB cable came in. Installed it, converted the codeplug to O3 and SUCCESS. Conversion from W Series to O3 works just fine. My understanding is the radio itself must be host 9 or later to support the O3 control head. After doing the conversion I would suggest getting the radio bumped to current levels which will match the control head firmware with the radio firmware.

Jason

[MotoFAN]

Does an HLN1472A is fully compatible with PMUN1036A?

[escomm]

Does an HLN1472A is fully compatible with PMUN1036A?

PMUN1036A is the replacement for the HLN1472A. You should not have any problems

[MotoFAN]

Does an HLN1472A is fully compatible with PMUN1036A?

PMUN1036A is the replacement for the HLN1472A. You should not have any problems

Yea, I knew. But why they totally changed P/N instead of changing siffix HLN1472_?

[akardam]

Yea, I knew. But why they totally changed P/N instead of changing siffix HLN1472_?

Because they can, and because it is not wise to question the ways of Motorolas, as they are quick to anger, and you go well with ketchup.

[Mfire39]

Yea, I knew. But why they totally changed P/N instead of changing siffix HLN1472_?

Call Motorola and ask them...


-Marc

[MotoFAN]

I mean that maybe functionality or compatibility have been changed with P/N.

[motorola_otaku]

Heh, I see someone's been eyeing TIBs on a certain auction site.

I had the same question when I saw that HLN1472 was replaced by PMUN1036 on MOL. I have a sneaking suspicion that the two part numbers coincide with the July 2006 cutoff date that affects O5 head revisions.

[MotoFAN]

Heh, I see someone's been eyeing TIBs on a certain auction site.

Yes! :)

I had the same question when I saw that HLN1472 was replaced by PMUN1036 on MOL. I have a sneaking suspicion that the two part numbers coincide with the July 2006 cutoff date that affects O5 head revisions.

And what as result?