Need manual / help for using R-1032AA DES decoder

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bls106
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Need manual / help for using R-1032AA DES decoder

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I managed to locate a piece of test equipment to enable me to Decode DES Keys. :D

However... There is no manual and no one has any idea how to use it. :cry:

I would be greatful for a manual (or copy there of) and any help that leads to sucessful operation. :)

Please email me directly if you have one, or know how to use this equipment. Would be most happy to buy a manual.

Thanx
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Post by d119 »

It can't be that simple... What is this device exactly?
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Post by alex »

I'm moving the topic to general discussion to attract some more attention, I'm quite curious too.

-Alex
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Post by xmo »

OK -here's the deal

This thing is about 20 years old - it came in the same kind of box as the T-1056 portable test set (metering box for tube type through Micor)

It provides facilities for testing proper operation of DES in a 2-way radio system.

It can encrypt and decript using the test set's own preprogrammed key or it can be keyloaded with a customer key. In this respect it is similar to the secure test option in the R2001 service monitors. It can endode and decode at the same time.

The R-2001 is more versatile because supports up to 4 pairs of hybrids for encode and decode so it can have all the secure formats DES, DES-XL, DVP, DVP-XL, but the R-1032 has the attraction that it will work with whatever other test equipment you have.
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Post by alex »

After listening to an interesting lecture tonight about encryption, and also getting some interesting statistics on how long it would take to actually crack a 128 bit encyption key....

After listening to why, and hows of it, I quickly learned that it would far beyond reasonable to actually have a device that would do it quick enough to actually make it even remotly worth it for the casual user to actually decrypt the datastream.

Infact it would require about $100,000 to build the technology to crack it in 1.5 days.

Something like $1 Million would be required to brute force decrypt a DES key in 3.5 hours.

I'll poke around for the persons source for this data.

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Post by 10-95 »

That sound like a DES test box for use with DES capable radios, i may be wrong but I don't think it will crack DES codes. The government would never allow it to get on the surplus market in working condition.

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Post by bls106 »

Don't know guys. All that I know is that a radio tech at this one shop knew how to use it. He could actually decode DES with it, and it took him around half an hour to do so.

I know about and understand the complexities of the encryption, but we all know that Motorola's not going to do something that they can't get into. (Atleast the old "REAL" Motorola. As for the new motorola...)

I need to reload the drivers for my digital camera and then figure out how to ad a photo here. Once I figure it out, I'll post a pic of the unit.

I'm just hoping to play. I have absolutely no intentions of violating the electric communications act of 1984. I'd never do that.
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Post by mancow »

"1984" ironic huh??

:wink:

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That Seems Familiar

Post by John G »

I worked in a government installation for a while around 89-91 time frame. We used DVP, then DES-XL a lot. We had a little box you could hook to your R2001 and decode or encode secure transmissions. The box took a hybrid for the encryption scheme you were using and you had to load a valid key into it. Sounds a lot like what you are speaking of. I used it a coule of times. Was pretty easy to figure out. We didn't have a manual. Better stop now, don't want to get wound up this early about Motorola's secure products.
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Post by xmo »

To repeat - it is just this simple - this box is for testing systems. It either uses it's own key or you have to keyload it with a customer key.

It does not "break" DES.
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Post by RADIOMAN2002 »

Like he was saying, it is ONLY a test box, you put in a DES code it will determine if the radio you are testing is receiving the code properly to decode it,or you can send DES to the service monitor to transmit to the radio. I have one, use it with the demod output of my service monitor to test the transmit code of a radio and through the external audio to test receive of the radio. On another string, I brought up using this very box to try and see if a CDM series radio will handle DES. Any takers on trying.
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