VISAR/HT1000 programming errors

rdmahurin · Post by **rdmahurin** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:11 pm

When I read the codeplug from either a VISAR or an HT1000, I get an immediate "Invalid model, customer, or serial number". And if I try to send the exact same codeplug back, I get an "Incompatible model number" error.

I'm using a stock Motorola RLN4008B RIB, and I have an MS-DOS 6.22 boot disk with RSS Version R03.00.00 (05-MAY-95). CPS R06 runs fine on this machine (Dell 750Mhz Notebook), and has no trouble with HT1250s, so the RIB is OK.

When I try to run MoSlo on this PC , I can't get any RIB comms at all. I tried a 90Mhz Pentium PC with MS-DOS 6.22, with/without MoSlo, and with/without all the CMOS stuff changed with no luck getting RIB comms at all.

Anyone seen this before?

Post by **wavetar** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:34 pm

If you're getting an 'invalid model/serial number' type error, it appears you are actually talking to the radio, so the harware's likely ok. This is pretty much confirmed when you get the 'incompatible model' error when trying to write another codeplug to the radio. If it couldn't talk to the radio at all, you'd get something along the lines of 'no response from radio, check RIB, connections, blah blah' type error. You probably need a newer version of RSS...I believe 3.03.00 is the latest.

Todd

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 5:11 pm

I didn't think that HT1000s were RSS version sensitive.
When I have seen this it has always been an error in the model # not matching the type of radio it actually is, usually when lab was used to try to force something different into the controller.

Does the model # match up to what the radio should be? What about the serial # is it in a legitimate format?

mancow

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:13 pm

Hi:

Since I do not know what you are " Really " doing, I can
say for sure, that if you have a Factory Motorola Rib Box,
Rib Power Supply, a known good Radio to Rib Cable, along
with a ( 386-486-25 Mhz Series Dedicated Computer ) using
" Only " DOS 6.22 as a operating system, and the DOS Based
RSS Ver 3.02.01 you should have no problems.

Trying to program DOS based Motorola radio under a
windows plarform is best left to the experts ! Most have
all kinds of reported troubles if you have Windows as a main
OS.

I have programed 100's of those radios both Visars and
HT1000's with no problems.

I have had troubles using Computers like Petiums, and the like.

For what ever reason, the RSS will Run on a Tecra 510CDT, and
you can make changes to the code plug, but tryng to write to the
radio with a P133 was hopeless.

Went back to the 486-25 w/ DOS 6.22, works perfect.

Monty

Tron · Post by **Tron** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:47 pm

Monty.......do you have any of these RIB boxes left? Please get me off list at: [email protected]

Thanks

Tron

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:41 pm

HI Tron:

Yes, I have a few Factory Motorola Rib Boxes & Cables
Left....I have emailed yoy a list.

MS

Susan157 · Post by **Susan157** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:57 am

Have you tried a slower computer?

RadioSouth · Post by **RadioSouth** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:20 am

I've seen this same message when using RSS that was intended for 'A'
revision radios when a 'B' revision radio was attached. Funny thing is they
leave you a field to enter the model# to correct the 'error'. I then entered the model# of a 16 ch. radio (the radio attached was a 2) and it worked!
On doing this on (2) different radios one remained a 'B' revision and the
other converted to an 'A'. Bottom line on this type of conversion is you
might loose your feature level to that of an 'A' radio but it converts 2 and
8 channel units to 16 and allows this old RSS to work with newer radios.

rdmahurin · Post by **rdmahurin** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:11 am

I tried again this morning with a 486 DX4 with the identical results. Keep in mind that i'm not changing the radios; I read the code plug, get the "Invalid model, customer, or serial number" error, and then try to send the exact same codeplug back to the same radio, and it gives me the "Incompatible model number" error.

RSS reports the model and serial numbers as:

model H01SDC9AA3BN
serial 402AUY0009

The actual numbers on the radio are:

model H01RDC9AA3DN
serial 402TBA5476

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:37 pm

rdmahurin wrote:I tried again this morning with a 486 DX4 with the identical results. Keep in mind that i'm not changing the radios; I read the code plug, get the "Invalid model, customer, or serial number" error, and then try to send the exact same codeplug back to the same radio, and it gives me the "Incompatible model number" error.

RSS reports the model and serial numbers as:

model H01SDC9AA3BN
serial 402AUY0009

The actual numbers on the radio are:

model H01RDC9AA3DN
serial 402TBA5476

Wait a minute...I thought you were unable to read the radios with the RSS...how is it reporting the model/serial numbers to you? So it is actually reading the codeplug, then giving you the error, then allowing you to look at the codeplug? The fact it is showing different than what is on the label tells me Mancow was probably correct, and the radios have been hacked. Likely to try & force them into the 470-520 range, as the model number would suggest.

Todd

RadioSouth · Post by **RadioSouth** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:54 pm

Model, S# changes look like a clone gone bad. (Lab?)

Nand · Post by **Nand** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:19 pm

rdmahurin · Post by **rdmahurin** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:10 am

wavetar wrote:Wait a minute...I thought you were unable to read the radios with the RSS...how is it reporting the model/serial numbers to you? So it is actually reading the codeplug, then giving you the error, then allowing you to look at the codeplug? The fact it is showing different than what is on the label tells me Mancow was probably correct, and the radios have been hacked. Likely to try & force them into the 470-520 range, as the model number would suggest.

Todd

From the first line of my original message (see above)

rdmahurin wrote:When I read the codeplug from either a VISAR or an HT1000, I get an immediate "Invalid model, customer, or serial number". And if I try to send the exact same codeplug back, I get an "Incompatible model number" error.

All of these radios came from Motorola a few years ago (not through a distributor, directly from Motorola). They are not hacked.

I have 10 HT1000s, both 850 and 450 Mhz varieties, and about 20 VISARs of various ages, and upon further investigation, I have found that ALL of them do this, except for ONE. It is an older "A" model I found which reads/writes just fine. The rest of the VISARs and HTs are all "D" models. I would guess that A and B would be probably both be fine, but D does not compute.

I suspect now that it's just a version issue, but the only floppy I can find for VISAR/HT1000 right now is R03.00.00. I'll keep looking for it. If the later RSS fixes it, I will post. Thanks for your help.

Nand · Post by **Nand** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:37 am

rdmahurin · Post by **rdmahurin** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:10 am

Nand wrote:I did it here with an older version and got the same serial and model numbers that you got, with a RX frequency of 450.150 and a TX frequency of 465.150 and a TX PL of 114.8. RX was set to QCII long tone B. This is likely what you are seeing in your screen as well.

Nand.

That's exactly right; Same freq and configs as you. Software is too old (has to be the oldest of the R03 series at R003.00.00, right?

) I wonder where the cutoffs are for the different RSS versions with regard to the model letter? This seems to be new territory, since some thought the RSS versions were universal.

Glad to see a confirmation at least. Thanks Nand!!

Nand · Post by **Nand** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:24 am

rdmahurin · Post by **rdmahurin** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:58 am

UPDATE:

All is well now. Tried again with RSS version R03.03.00, works perfectly with no errors, even on my Dell Inspiron 8000 booted from a W98 system floppy.

The moral I guess is that HT1000/Visars can be a bit version sensitive.

File it in the knowledge base! Thanks again!!

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