Keyless Combination Lock BMW's from the 1980's

[ricciticcitembo]

I posted a reply to Woody in the general forum in The Great
Motorola Key Caper, and some things came to mind, that I thought
might be of some use to you electrically minded people out there.

Woody-
Yeah man, good to hear from you. Sorry about the cruel DeWalt
Joke, but I just couldn't help myself. About a few weeks ago my
business partner and friend had a few things stolen from a building
he owns, found out who it was, and called me to replace like 5 locks
in the building. (like2-300 dollars worth, not to mention the 5 that I
destroyed). So I said to him,"OK give me an hour or so to pick the
locks and remove them so you could reuse them later on some
other building that you own." and he says to me " Use the DeWalt,
I want it done right now!!" and so there is the history of where my
post came from LOL! So up to that point, my use of the DeWalt
cordless HammerDrill as a Key was limited to maybe once I did it
before in desperation, and now it is like a new type of Key. LOL
I still can't believe he made me do that......He WAS Mad though.......

But if that was me, I would have definitely kept the locks (intact)


And you're way way ahead of me with Motorola Keys Woody.
I don't have ANY. Can you believe it? (except for the DeWalt).
Well not entirely true, as I do have some keys for the "Ignition"
locks on the Securenet boxes , but I don't have any "Radio"
or Repeater cabinets Keys. So I guess It's a damn good thing that
I don't have any X9000 Syntors. Don't care for them anyway......

And I Always wanted a set of Motorola Keys just to have laying
around so that when I see that $10-15 Dollar X-9000 at a HamFest
I could openn it up and check it out. Always wanted some Micors as
well, but I just won't buy one at a hamfest in a box of junk without
at least looking at the radio guts.

And believe me, the one main reason I don't buy any old Motorola
Junk is because I don' t have any keys to open them, and don't
really think it's worth the hassle (Like you have Well Proven Woody)
of obtaining a set piece by piece. Or paying 50-100 Dollars for a
couple sets from Dudes who sell them on Ebay and whatnot. And
You'd have to buy the keys from Several different sources, as to my
knowledge NOONE has a complete set for sale. They're always
"A few sandwiches shy of a picnic Basket" -Yogi Bear
As is the local locksmith. "Gee Dave, I could order you a box of
those blanks if you'd like, but I just don't have any of those"

And for the record I too have a key Machine, and have had one
ever since I can remember..... The Ironic thing here is that I really
don't even like keys at all. I like remote solenoid operated locks,
Magnetic locks, and keypad Code controllers/sequencers .

One time I drilled out the lock on my
new VW because I hated thee way the Steering lock would
always activate with the key removal. I drove that car at least 10
years with no Keys. Did the same thing with my BMW, as did
several customers. We used buy extra factory accessory switches
like Hazard Switches, Rear Defog, Defroster , Etc.... And place them
in the dash (in the stock location) hooked up to the BMW's
computer anti theft system, as well as the Ignition Switch circuit.
These were hooked to a relay logic sequence bank that I made.
We would then Move the existing Hazard, Defog Etc... Switches
to the accessory positions on the dash board.

And the easy way to "Break" the ignition lock to make the car
keyless was to just break off the key in the lock. And then do the
above method.

And that Was and still Is My Very Favorite way of keying up a BMW.
None of those cars were ever stolen by driving the car away.
We used to charge a few thousand dollars to do that to a car,
and we did several Football players cars like that, and I saw one
recently that I did over 10 years ago, and It's still all good. I haven't
done this trick in a while, but I'm about due.......Hmmmm...
I guess I'll have to buy a new car first though.... Stupid cars are
expensive.

Oh. and BTW I did NOT invent this Idea of keyless Beamers. I Stole
it. A few cars came to our shop like that (mostly AMG's and Alpine
Editions). Extremely Expensive cars..... I always asked the owner
where he bought the system from. The reply was always the same.
"It came this way from the factory." So there ya go. It was the
Super Expensive Car Modifiers like AMG that did this to the car
originally, and I just copied the concept, as did a few shops in
California, and New York that I know of.
These cars of course came with keys, and required them to drive.
The additional buttons in the cars were hooked up to the system
Computer but NOT to the Ignition/Start circuit. Other Guys did that
like us who were NOT Factory Approved to work on those cars........

LOL.

The point of all this rambling is just to show that If you move
around the Stock accessory switches in your car , and add a few
switches that fit and look stock in your car( switches must be OEM
and come from the Dealer), and do a little rewiring - You will then
have added a new high security combination lock to your vehicle.
And you could also choose to make it entirely keyless at that point
especially if you use a controller that requires the switches to be
activated in sequence (in under 30 seconds) or the alarm goes off.
And of course the Stock Anti Theft circuit activates as well.
Also I should note that these types of ideas should only be
implemented if you are extremely familiar with you cars wiring, and
have the Electrical manual for it from the Dealer. Which in itself
is practically un-obtainable for the cars that I mentioned since they
are not very common to begin with. Especially now.

And another thing for the record. Bmw's are problematic cars to
begin with. Especially with the electronics. They break all the time....
Jaguar V12's with Lucas Electric is the absoulute worst, and we
fixed those cars too......Fuel pumps extra bad in those XJ's.....
in direct contrast, Honda's Never break. Especially their electronics.

Now I got a '97 Ford with a regular key. Hasn't broke anything yet
since I got it from the auction for 2 Grand.
137,000 miles. Hmmm.... cheaper /breaks less than BMW.......thats
for sure..... And If I didn't know what always breaks, and know how
to fix them, I'd NEVER have one. Those cars' normal maintainence
expense costs more than the car does to begin with......I'm sure
ASTROMODAT will concur with that.

Dave

[jim]

Hondas never break? Especially their electronics.

Um....no. My shop performs regulator repiars frequently in the late 90's Civics. There are quite a few electrical problems in Hondas !

[ricciticcitembo]

Hondas never break? Especially their electronics.

Um....no. My shop performs regulator repiars frequently in the late 90's Civics. There are quite a few electrical problems in Hondas !

really? Wow. They must have gotten worse. LOL.
The only thing I know that the Hondas do is burn up the ignition
module in the distributor because the car runs so damn Hot.
And the Electroluminescent Dash light goes out.
The mid eighties hondas had the Choke connected to the
Alternator. When the Alt would fail, the car would Flood like it
needed a new float in the carburator, but It was the Choke stuck
due to the faulty Alternator. Did it almost everytime too on those
models when the brushes would wear down......

What else happens with these cars that I don't know about?
I know the car is made out of plastic, and has no ground.......
practically......