XTS5000 Model II vs. Model III

elkbow · Post by **elkbow** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:37 am

What are the differences between the II and III? The only thing I can see is the keypad on the Model III? Was wondering if you can recase the Model II to a model III housing with the keypad like you can on other Motorola radio's like the HT1250, etc.
thanks,
dave

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:50 am

There is a really nice XTS5000 Model II on eBay right now! It says it is in MINT condition, and the picture seems to verify that. Happy bidding!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=40068

Larry

elkbow · Post by **elkbow** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:03 am

thats what i was looking at, want the keypad functionality though....

i emailed the guy, has an old flash from what i can tell, but can go from there, not like i need another radio...

anyone on converting a type II to type III with recase?

RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:23 pm

The radio cannot be flashed to go from model II to model III. The radio would need a new codeplug installed for the correct model number to enable the additional features of the model III (such as unlimited private call, unlimited call alert, DTMF unlimited dialing, editing DTMF and PC/CA lists). I do not believe Motorola will do that on the 5000's.

BTW, since the radio on Ebay does not have a legitimate serial number you most likely cannot get a flash upgrade to add features.

George

Post by Pj » Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:45 pm

You also have to remember that these radio's also use a ESN as well. I am sure that somehow that ESN is generated by the model number, serial number and factory flashcode.

I believe that it will take some time before any good "hacks" will happen with the XTS/XTL5000 line. Not impossible, but awhile.

The spectra's (1988ish) and the Astro Sabers/spectra's(1994) have been around for awhile and we are STILL learning everything about them.

mike m · Post by **mike m** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:01 pm

tom IL · Post by **tom IL** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:08 pm

There are programming batteries for the XTS 5000!?!?!? This may be one more reason for me to get one. Can you select anolog/ digatal?

mike m · Post by **mike m** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:16 pm

mike m · Post by **mike m** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:22 pm

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:52 pm

I thought there was/is an FCC reg which, in general, prohibits the functionality that would allow a Part 90 2-Way radio to be frequency programable from its keypad (other than the various exceptions, such as aircraft radio, etc.). Remember the Uniden?!

Larry

Post by Pj » Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:56 pm

This came up a little while ago on the board, but I believe it was somthing you can have, but the means to do it had to be restricted to a degree. This may be why you may or maynot be able to change too much on the 5000 as you could with the JT1000.

As these are such new radios and short supply, I am sure we are going to be learning alot about these in the next year or two.

RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:20 pm

The XTS5000 option Q52 is FPP, or front panel programming.

I know some government customers have it available to them. I do not know if it is available to the general public.

It does NOT use a programming battery or key like the HT1550 or JT1000 but rather the proper flashcode and newer version CPS.

George

tom IL · Post by **tom IL** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:47 am

Thanks NJ! Now all I have to do is find a few thousand extra $$$ laying around

If only.

mike m · Post by **mike m** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:17 am

Don't even think abt it, that is getting one for yourself, they are only available to Govt. users and Govt. suppliers. There is a very small list of Users and Mfg who it is available to, and the regular person out there is not one of them. In fact to some at Mot. the radio does not exist

RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:27 pm

Mike,

To say that someone cannot buy the XTS5000 is a wrong statement. If you have the cash you can buy it.

I've got one in VHF (model 2), UHF (model 3), and 800 MHz (model 2). I am not a government user.

Here's some links from Motorola's public web site.
http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/docs/xts5000_brochure.pdf
http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/portables/xts5000.shtml

A more accurate statement might be that the Q52 FPP option is not available to all users (I know I do not have it).

George

mike m · Post by **mike m** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:18 am

What I meant to say in my post, if you read closer, is that the Govt FPP option is not available to everyone, I say that this applies to the basic CPS programmable only version.

I didn't say that anyone cannot get the basic CPS programmable version, they will sell that one to anyone who has the dollars.

Mike

Post by **wavetar** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 1:51 pm

I thought the same as RocketNJ did. You only mention "radio" and "it" in your post, thus people assumed you were talking about the radio...not the option.

Todd

RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 7:21 pm

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, your statement is correct as far as I can tell FPP is not available to us commercial users.

Would be great to go to a user's site and be able to program in the freq/PL/Astro info without a laptop. Reason I went with 5000's is the ribless cable.

George