Intent to Cancel Memo on the HT1000 / MTS still OK

smsm · Post by **smsm** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:44 am

Motorola’s Commercial, Government, and Industrial Solutions Sector (CGISS) are formally announcing the Intent to Cancel the JEDI Portable Product Series all bands and model revisions including all unique accessories.
It is recommended that the last time purchases be considered at this time to cover anticipated or planned customer expansion and lifetime spare units.
Parts and accessories will continue to be available through AAD department.
Orders containing the following model/options/kits combinations are affected by this intent to cancel memo:

• H01KDC9AA1 N HT1000 136-178 MHZ 2 CH 1-5W
• H01KDC9AA3 N HT1000 136-178 MHZ 16 CH 1-5W
• H01RDC9AA1 N HT1000 403-470 MHZ 2 CH 1-4W
• H01RDC9AA3 N HT1000 403-470 MHZ 16 CH 1-4W
• H01SDC9AA1 N HT1000 450-520 MHZ 2 CH 1-4W
• H01SDC9AA3 N HT1000 450-520 MHZ 16 CH 1-4W
• H01UCC6AA3 N HT1000 806-870 MHZ 16 CH 3W

• H01KDD9AA4 N MT2000 136-178 MHZ 48 CH 1-5W
• H01KDH9AA7 N MT2000 136-178 MHZ 160 CH 1-5W
• H01RDD9AA4 N MT2000 403-470 MHZ 48 CH 1-4W
• H01RDH9AA7 N MT2000 403-470 MHZ 160 CH 1-4W
• H01SDD9AA4 N MT2000 450-520 MHZ 48 CH 1-4W
• H01SDH9AA7 N MT2000 450-520 MHZ 160 CH 1-4W
• H01UCD6AA4 N MT2000 806-870 MHZ 48 CH 3W
• H01UCH6AA7 N MT2000 806-870 MHZ 160 CH 3W

• H01FDH9PW1 N MTS2000 MB 1-5W III PJ202H
• H01KDD9PW1 N MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5 W MODEL I
• H01KDH9PW1 N MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5W MODEL III
• H01RDD9PW1 N MTS2000 UHF (403-470 MHZ) 4W MODEL I
• H01RDH9PW1 N MTS2000 UHF (403-470MHZ) 4W MODEL III

• H01KCD9PW1 C MTS2000 VHF I PJ301D CENELEC
• H01KCH9PW1 C MTS2000 VHF III PJ301H CENELEC
• H01RCD9PW1 C MTS2000 UHF I PJ501D CENELEC
• H01RCH9PW1 C MTS2000 UHF III PJ501H CENELEC
• H01KCC9AN3 C GP900 CENELEC VHF 16CH 1W
• H01KCG9AN3 C GP900 CENELEC VHF 16CH 1W K/P
• H01RCC9AN3 C GP900 CENELEC UHF 16CH 1W
• H01RCG9AN3 C GP900 CENELEC UHF 16CH 1W K/P
• H01KCC9AN3 CA GP900 VHF N/KP PJ301C ATEX
• H01KCG9AN3 CA GP900 VHF KP PJ301J ATEX
• H01RCC9AN3 CA GP900 UHF N/KP PJ501C ATEX
• H01RCG9AN3 CA GP900 UHF KP PJ501J ATEX

• H01QX/193H MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5 W MODEL I
• H01QX/194H MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5 W MODEL II
• H01QX/195H MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5 W MODEL III
• H01QX/196H MTS2000 UHF (403-470 MHZ) 4 W MODEL I
• H01QX/197H MTS2000 UHF (403-470 MHZ) 4 W MODEL II
• H01QX/198H MTS2000 UHF (403-470 MHZ) 4 W MODEL III
• H01QX/199H MTS2000 UHF (450-512 MHZ) 4 W MODEL I
• H01QX/200H MTS2000 UHF (450-512 MHZ) 4 W MODEL II
• H01QX/201H MTS2000 UHF (450-512 MHZ) 4 W MODEL III
• H01QX/202H MTS2000 UHF (806-870 MHZ) 3 W MODEL I
• H01QX/203H MTS2000 UHF (806-870 MHZ) 3 W MODEL II
• H01QX/204H MTS2000 UHF (806-870 MHZ) 3 W MODEL III
• H01QX/205H MTS2000 UHF (896-941 MHZ) 2 W MODEL I
• H01QX/206H MTS2000 UHF (896-941 MHZ) 2 W MODEL II
• H01QX/207H MTS2000 UHF (896-941 MHZ) 2 W MODEL III
• H01FDH9PW8 N MTS2000 MB 1-5W III PJ202H
• H01FDC9AN1 N GP900 68-88MHZ 2CH N/KPAD
• H01FDC9AN3 N GP900 68-88MHZ 16CH N/KPAD
• H01FDD9AN3 N GP900 68-88MHZ 99CH PJ202D
• H01FDG9AN3 N GP900 68-88MHZ 16CH KEYPAD

• H01KDD9AN3 F GP900 FUG 11B VHF PJ302D
• H01KDH9PW1 N MTS2010, FuG 10b (with appropriate options)
• H01FDH9PW1 N MTS2013, FuG 13b (with appropriate options)

• H01RCD9CK4 C GP1200 403-470 PJ501D CENELEC
• H01RCH9CK7 C GP1200 403-470 PJ501H CENELEC
• H01RCH9CK7 CA GP1200 UHF PJ501D ATEX

• H01KDF9PW1 N MTS2000 VHF (136-178 MHZ) 5W MODEL II
• H01KDD9PW5 N MTS2000 VHF 1-5W I PJ302D
• H01KDH9PW8 N MTS2000 VHF 1-5W IIIPJ302H

nmfire10 · Post by **nmfire10** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:51 am

Yea. They cancel perhaps one of the best product lines since the Spectra and MT1000 and continue to make total crap like the HT1250 line of radios. Typical.

JOHN 1807 · Post by **JOHN 1807** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:29 am

Yup,
Glad I got rid of the waris stuff and bought myself an MTS. I learned my lesson after just missing the saber era (ability to buy new) didn't want to do the same with the jedi's. -J

Tony Soprano · Post by **Tony Soprano** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:55 am

SMSM-

I am not doubting that what you have posted is correct, but I am not finding any press release or any information on Motorola Online to corroborate this. Can you post a link to the release document?

Nexrad16 · Post by **Nexrad16** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:29 am

I think that until Moto has a signififcant upper mgt. "house cleaning" this is want we'll get. Investors need to pull their head out of their *$$ and look at what the mgt. "team" is doing to Moto. I know hear in Boise they are moving away from Moto. I suspect at this pace, Moto will take the rear seat in 5 to 10 years, if not sooner. That's to bad!

Love my JT1000, Saber III & Saber I!

motisking · Post by **motisking** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:30 am

Tony Soprano wrote:SMSM-

I am not doubting that what you have posted is correct, but I am not finding any press release or any information on Motorola Online to corroborate this. Can you post a link to the release document?

I will have to second that. Normally Motorola issues ITC notifications with dates?

The MTS series are slated for cancellation the end of this year.

kmoose · Post by **kmoose** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:36 am

I know they tried to cancel the HT 1000s about four or five years ago, and backed down. I wonder if this will be the same?

What Moto is doing is "fishing". Just like casting a few poles to see what bait works, and what bait doesn't, they introduce a couple of new radios a year, see which model(s) sell the best, and then cancel the rest of them. Once again, a good business model............for CEOs.

smsm · Post by **smsm** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:49 pm

Tony:

Sorry - no link. This document was distributed today to all distributors. If you interesting I can e-mail you the document.
-smsm-

smsm · Post by **smsm** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:52 pm

Motisking:

document is 11 pages. This is last page:

The last date for OPG to receive orders is 30th September 2004.
Final shipment will be completed by end of December 2004.
Note Please make sure that larger orders will be placed as soon as possible.
No direct replacement.
The functionality of the radios is expected to be fulfilled by other technologies.
If you are affected by this cancellation please take advantage of our “Last Time buy” opportunity, contact your regional representative for more details.

-smsm-

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:28 pm

Jedi series Radios are probably one of the best lines of portables around... in the history of man kind, DON'T DO IT (V), THERE WILL BE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES.

I Just got my HT1000 a while back... and I Love It, too bad i was around 2-3 years old when they were released?

Hope the JEDI Series Stay Around for a really long time, would hate to see them disappear and become rare like the Genesis Series

(Unless u want used junk that's usually fawked up beyond repair off of ebay)

Post by **batdude** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:40 pm

too bad i was around 2-3 years old when they were released

yikes!

makes me miss my first saber III circa 1993ish even more.

i guess this is the big push to the xts line of radios if you need analog secure...

thank god they never had DES stuff for the waris crapola

doug

motisking · Post by **motisking** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:02 pm

smsm wrote:Tony:

Sorry - no link. This document was distributed today to all distributors. If you interesting I can e-mail you the document.
-smsm-

I am a disrtubutor and I have not yet received this document. I have requested that smsm forward it, but he has not yet responded.

I also spoke with my Motorola ADM who knows nothing about this "cancellation"

motisking · Post by **motisking** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:07 pm

P.S.

Never in all my years in two-way have I ever seen an 11 page cancellation notice.

Something is not right here.

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:30 pm

I Concur Motisking.

I would HATE to see the Jedi series go anyway, that would totally suck, I'm goin to a dealer in a neighboring city (Santa Fe) tomorrow to order a VHF HT1000 in-person, of course i called em today (ahead of time) and they said they are still available for order. (Like i expected, thank gosh

)

My Life Would End Without the Jedi Series

K maybe im going a lil too far but they are Great Radios.

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:01 am

All good things must come to an end, just like with the analogue Spectra, and the MCS2000 at the end of this year.

What do they expect will adequately replace it? Waris? LOL!

Tony Soprano · Post by **Tony Soprano** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:04 am

motisking wrote:P.S.

Never in all my years in two-way have I ever seen an 11 page cancellation notice.

Something is not right here.

Yes, you know I do not wish to be the guy that says "prove it", but I'm about as in the loop as it gets, and I've seen zero official word on this.

But if it is true, even good things must come to an end, and this line has been in production for eleven years. They have been increasing the sticker price over the last couple of years to squeeze as much profit out as they can get. For VHF 16 modes, MSRP is $1228. HT750 on the other hand, stickers at $800.

mr.syntrx · Post by **mr.syntrx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:18 am

11 or 12 years seems to be the standard lifetime for a /\/\ radio. How old was the analog Spectra when they nuked it?

motisking · Post by **motisking** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:36 am

I feel quite passionate about this topic. Lots of people use this board to gain ACCURATE information about Motorola products and services. People that intentionally post bad, wrong or untruthful information need to be exposed.

So here I go...

Smsm, Please provide proof of you statement that the Jedi series is being cancelled.

Maybe this post was received as harsh.

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:05 am

smsm
2 Warnings for RSS Wanted/For Sale Post

Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Posts: 6

...nuff sed? Maybe one of you mods can check if he has an alias on the boards, doesnt phpbb have a feature to find users with same ip?

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:03 am

why are you willfully putting out disinformation? The "JEDI" has a few dates as follows:

Ht1000 (memo states includes JT1000 though it is supposed to be gone now) cancellation on last day of December 2005

MT2000 / MTS2000 last day of December of 2006

This is per my account manager at "M" in schaumburg. Anybody that wants to argue it can tell Motorola they are wrong.

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:05 am

smsm, moto is quite interested in where your info came from so where did you get this 11 page document if not from them?????

RESCUE161 · Post by **RESCUE161** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:07 am

Don't get him all wrong guys, he did say "cencelation"... Maybe that means something other that cancelation...

Mike in CT · Post by **Mike in CT** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:09 am

usually it is a one page tenth generation photocopy.

I'll go along with the guy who said /\/\ might be fishing...

Mike in CT
KM1R

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:11 am

Unfortunetly "M" knows nothing about this and they would very much like to.

kmoose · Post by **kmoose** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:58 am

smsm........................(s)ome (m)otorola (s)ales (m)anager?

Trying to stimulate sales of the Jedi series?

This is just a joke, but I would not be surprised if it were close to the truth, considering the apparent corporate mindset at Motorola.

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:13 am

Nah, it already speaks for itself as the best analog radio they ever made and to date the best quality radio (portable) they have ever made available to the industry. No need to increase the sales by playing games, just be honest and show construction and performance compared to waris!

Post by **wavetar** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:19 pm

VioLenT wrote: ...nuff sed? Maybe one of you mods can check if he has an alias on the boards, doesnt phpbb have a feature to find users with same ip?

You haven't been a member much longer than him. Yes, I can view & compare his IP, and it doesn't match with any other member. As it stands, he's posting from Slovakia...maybe it's for cancellations overseas? Here's a link to the dealer the IP originates from:

http://ns.konektel.sk/

I will lock the thread if it continues to spiral downhill. Give him an opportunity to respond. English isn't his native language, obviously, and what he posted regarding cancellations wasn't originally written by him...obviously.

Todd

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:29 pm

Hello:

I can't say I know everyone on the Hill. but pretty close.

Since I have just seen this post, I have a memo into
the Business Solutions Sector, and I will put to rest
if this is true or not.

Mant times " Intent to Cancel " is given to salesman to
advise their customers about a last chance oppertunitly
to purchase radios.

Sounds like someone wants to sell some radios to me.

Monty

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:38 pm

Wavetar how is anything going downhill? We asked for proof and we are still patiently waiting. I personally contacted my account manager at moto and got the straight scoop. I then Posted how series was highest quality of any and I personally left it at that. Your comments seem out of place. where is the thread going to hell?????

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:51 pm

HI:

Ever since Motorola dump their premium personeel, one
can get mixed reports. I have taken up a VIP's time who
is right smack in the middle of the Gov Business Solutions
Sector, and this is what was reported to me as of 6-15-2004

I will say the post concerning all of the jedi Series radios
listed in the Top Post is NOT ACCURATE !
=======================================

ONLY Jedi radio series that has been cancelled is the HT1000
(all bands). No orders can be placed after
Sept. 30, 2004.

MTS2000 all-bands have not been cancelled as yet.

The LTS series have also been cancelled. No orders can be placed after 6/30/04.

Also, some of the ultra cheapies..CP series

This is Accurate as of June 15, 2004 in the US

Monty

motisking · Post by **motisking** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:59 pm

Monty wrote: =======================================
ONLY Jedi series that has been cancelled is the HT1000
(all bands). No orders can be placed after
Sept. 30, 2004.

Are you refering to the JT1000

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:10 pm

Are you refering to the JT1000

As quoted right from the fellows desk that makes
the decissions ( at least here in the US )

ONLY THE HT1000 ( ALL BANDS ) Has been
cancelled

Last time I looked, a HT1000 is not a JT1000

MS

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:46 pm

What will replace the HT1000?

Feature, and Band-wise.

OX · Post by OX » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:51 am

Been done before but I couldn't resist....

nmfire10 · Post by **nmfire10** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:05 am

VioLenT wrote:What will replace the HT1000?

Feature, and Band-wise.

Probably some cheaply built, overpriced piece of crap.

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:19 am

Monty, might you want to reverify? I just ordered 2 HT1000 uhf this morning w/ no problem but when I mentioned the "JT" they laughed. Call any CSM and check it out!!!! As I said last of dec 2005 for the HT1000 and last day of Dec. 2006 for the MT/MTS.

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:00 am

Strange as it may be, no astro saber nor "JEDI" stuff is listed.

http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/discontinued.shtml

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:25 am

Hello:

I am sorry, I guess I was not clear, so I will try again.

Scanman:

Monty, might you want to reverify? I just ordered 2 HT1000 uhf this morning w/ no problem but when I mentioned the "JT" they laughed. Call any CSM and check it out!!!! As I said last of dec 2005 for the HT1000 and last day of Dec. 2006 for the MT/MTS.

Hello:

1. For my purposes, I really do not need to reverify. I have
enough HT1000's in stock to satisfy my customer needs and
calling my friend to revarify a low tier issue when they are
addressing 25~50 Million Dollar proposals is not always viewed
well.

You indicated you just placed a order for 2 HT1000's this morning.

Its June 16th, 2004 last time I looked. The Intent
to Cancel on the HT1000's ( ALL BANDS )is as follows:

No orders can be placed after Sept. 30, 2004.

So, one can still order HT1000's up and until that time.

Scanman:

As I said last of dec 2005 for the HT1000

In all due respects, the information you have been
given is not valid, perhaps its a old memo.If you still
want a HT1000 I would strongly urge you to make a
purchase on or before Sept 30th 2004. If you wait
after that time, you will be SOL.

I guess I will have to post a formal Intent to Cancel Sheet
concerning the HT1000's when he becomes availible again.

I will try and do that in a few days or as time permits and
you can then believe whom ever you have most faith in

Since I have a lot of faith in the VIP whom I have known for
over 20 Years, I do not think he would lead me astry. I have
all to often got poor information from a phone call. Since the
layoffs started in 1999, I have not gotton to much of a
stright answer out of Motorola in years.

They seem to do things there way and not pay any antention
to the Low Tier dealer sector. One main reasons dealers
are changing thier marketing stratigies all the time.=============================================

Scanman:

I mentioned the "JT" they laughed.

My response to the JT still stands:

Last time I looked, a HT1000 is not a JT1000

Soon as I can get the formal Cancellation Sheet ( which I will
have to blot out the prices ) I will post it here, hopefully that
will put to rest the issue.

Monty

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:34 am

Hello:

So persons will not take the information wrong, the link
Scanman provided is for " MANUALS " for discontinued radios !

As Quoted from the link.

Discontinued Radios
Below is a list of available Discontinued Radio Manuals.

If you do not see what you are looking for or have
additional questions, please email Motorola at:
customercare.services@motorola.com

Also, this is most likely some propritory information which
was given to me, before the dealers even become aware.

Most Dealers get notified in general notices that get sent
out; always keep in mind, Motorola has 1000's of Dealers
all over the place, and not all of them get the information
at excatly the same time.

MS

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:35 am

Monty, agreed on all points w/ the exception that you reiterated what I had already posted from my account manager so I guess he does know his :o.

scanman · Post by **scanman** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:37 am

Also correct on the manuals. Seems they would like to see the Astro saber go into the sunset. another perfectly great radio bit the big one way before it's time and they dont seem to want to help keep it around longer then the 5 year stipulation.

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:35 pm

Thanks for the info Monty, total bummer for me, only cause im a simple guy who loves his conventional/analog gear (ESPECIALLY The HT1000)

But oh well, I'm sure they will be floating around for a long time, on fleabay.

Does anyone have any info on special pricing/discounts on last-minute orders? My Dealer advised me nothing about that

70351 · Post by **70351** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:01 pm

There are soooo many HT1000's out there either already in circulation, or NOS, that there will be HT-series Jedi's for many years to come!

Randy

ronaaa · Post by **ronaaa** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:48 am

Gentleman,

I very rarely post however the person is correct, I just came from a Motorola seminar today 6-16-2004, and the Product manager for the XTS series stated the HT and some MT models will go away by end of year to be replaced by XTS 1500, 3000 and 5000 . He further stated that the price of the XTS 1500 is about $ 20.00 more that the HT 1000

XTS is available in 700/800 & VHF , UHF will be in q4

Also there is a new Mobile coming to replace Astro series. he stated the transciver changes out but you can still used old control heads and cables with a provided adapter.

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:18 am

I think you mean MT1500, and I was joing to suggest MT1500 as a replacement especally because it uses audio accessories from jedi, and battery products from XTS (because of form factor.) This might been seen as a way into "easing" customers in to digital XTS' further down the line (since they already have batteries, belt clips, and expensive gang chargers, that shaves off $$ and lends justification for the leap.) MT1500 dosen't look half bad.....jsut a grey, analog only xts Mod. I

cracked · Post by **cracked** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:33 pm

very interested in some sort of official notice from /\/\. rumors on an online forum won't cut it for the boss. need to know if this is happening for sure, so soon, since we have several thousand ht1000 radios in service...

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:12 pm

Hello:

One thing you have in your favor !

1. HT1000's will be around long after Motorola stops
the production of them....Many Dealers out there have
them ! So U should be covered there.

2. No orders can be placed after Sept. 30, 2004.

So, you have a few MONTHS before anything will happen for
sure !

Soon as I get the New Gov Price Sheet that the Salesman
Gets, I will make a jpg of it ( and the Intent to Cancel Date )

I am sorry, I must blot out the Prices !

Monty

cracked · Post by **cracked** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:24 am

so what's the latest?

Tony Soprano · Post by **Tony Soprano** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:39 am

Still no "official" word. My guess is that the decision has been made but it has not filtered down to the people who release the information.

A person still cannot help but be a little skeptical though.

MotoVio · Post by **MotoVio** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:52 am

Since "Motorola reads this board" They Should Listen to our opinions and change their minds about the "destruction"

Intent to Cancel Memo on the HT1000 / MTS still OK

Intent to Cancel Memo on the HT1000 / MTS still OK

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cancellation

HT cancelation Notice