ATS Sabers

mostar · Post by **mostar** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:29 pm

okay - i posted a question in the "Programming" forum a few days ago asking if regular Syssaber RSS is used for ATS Sabers. The replies were essentially, "Probably"

i now have some ATS Sabers and can confirm that yes, System Saber RSS reads/programs the ATS radios.

However...

it was my understanding that ATS radios were for LTR trunking (they also do conventional). but, when i read the radios and look at the model info, it says they are Smartnet. and, when i go to trunking configuration, all of the programming options are for motorola trunking.

the model #'s in the radios indicate that they are in fact ATS radios (H44YUB5170CN), so somebody hasn't just blasted a smartnet codeplug into them. so..are ATS Sabers in fact LTR-compatible?

here is what i can confirm:
System Saber and ATS Saber share the same service manual
System Saber and ATS Saber share the same users manual
System Saber and ATS Saber appear to share the same RSS

if anybody has any other info on these, i'm very interested. i'm kinda surprised at what little google has been able to provide.

(mods - apologies in advance if starting a new thread for this was inappropriate, but i figured this is more of a general 'what is this radio capable of' than just a programming issue...)

Thanks to all for any info you may have.

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:05 pm

I was under the impression that ATS mean Advanced Trunking Systems and was just another name for the systems saber line.

mancow

motorolamaniac · Post by **motorolamaniac** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:29 am

According to the users manual for Systems Sabers they are funtionally identical radios:

"...however Systems Saber III radios have additional features that Systems Saber I and saber ATS do not have. In the remainder of this manual, unless otherwise noted, consider general reference to Systems Saber and specific reference to Systems Saber I to apply also to Saber ATS."

quoted from:
revision to manual # 68P81060C10-B 11-30-1990

williamh · Post by **williamh** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:45 pm

i dont know about the trunking ... but what i do know is that you cannot upgrade a ats to a syssaber III and it will also not do any scanning .. and you cannot add any zones to it ...

it is low budged 16 channel saber that will do trunking ..

mostar · Post by **mostar** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:05 am

From M's description of their "ATS Cumulative Repeater", it is clearly LTR. But I guess that doesn't mean the ATS Sabers are LTR radios - interesting, but I guess not the strangest thing M has ever done.

ATS Cumulative Repeater:

> Motorola's Assembled Trunking System (ATS) provides your business
> the capability to create a fully functioning, integrated two-way radio
> trunked network, quickly and easily.
>
> An increasing number of forward-thinking businesses are utilizing
> the power of trunking for their two-way radio communication.
> Cost-effective and efficient, LTR and PassPort trunked communication
> provides wide calling range, great privacy, and fast channel access to
> help workers connect without delays — as well as high user and
> talkgroup capacity to enhance system efficiency.

mostar · Post by **mostar** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:07 am

> under the impression that ATS mean Advanced Trunking Systems

Close - it is actually "Assembled Trunking System"

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:34 am

I don't think the ATS on the sabers has much to do with the Assembled Trunking systems.

THe ATS systems saber I've seen were all smartnet capable radios, nothing close to resembling LTR type trunking.

DJP126 · Post by **DJP126** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:34 am

the model #'s in the radios indicate that they are in fact ATS radios (H44YUB5170CN),

This model is high power UHF, submersible, no keypad, no display, standard channel spacing & smartnet capable. That is all the model # tells you.

mostar · Post by **mostar** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:48 am

Dave -

the model # list i have indicates that the "B" (sixth digit) is ATS.

K = SS3 (keypad & display)
N = SS1
B = ATS

is this incorrect?

DJP126 · Post by **DJP126** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:44 pm

The "B" does in fact designate an ATS, however I have not been able to find ANY documentation that differentiates the ATS from the Sys Saber I ("N" designator). I do know that IF the controlleer board was programmed as an ATS, you CANNOT change it. You HAVE to buy a new one with a BLANK serial number. Not even the FTR key will allow you to change it.

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:25 pm

DJP126 wrote:
the model #'s in the radios indicate that they are in fact ATS radios (H44YUB5170CN),
This model is high power UHF, submersible, no keypad, no display, standard channel spacing & smartnet capable. That is all the model # tells you.

Maybe it's:

(A)nalog (T)runked (S)ubmersible

mostar · Post by **mostar** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:18 am

> A)nalog (T)runked (S)ubmersible

heh. well, that is thinking outside the box, but alas, there are non-submersible ATS radios (ie, HxxTUBxxxxxx).

honestly, it really is "Assembled Trunking System".

there is a pdf here:

http://www.mobilebusinesscom.com/produc ... s_base.pdf

...that shows what ATS repeaters M has - R1225, MTR2000, "Limited" Quantar, and MX800, and says they are "PassPort, LTR, and Conventional Compatible".

so...that is what led to my initial belief that ATS Sabers supported LTR trunking - since their other ATS products are LTR, I put 2 and 2 together, and got 4. unfortunately, the correct answer appears to be 7.

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:29 am

I really don't think these products have anything to do with the systems saber ATS.

No systems saber ATS I've ever seen supported anything besides SMARTNET trunking and conventional. That's it. NO LTR or LTR like trunking schemes.

Further I've had the systems saber service manuals in hand in years past and they NEVER mentioned any LTR or similar trunking protocols being supported.

I think you're just putting like achronyms together. Maybe, maybe Motorola was packaging up smartnet systems at the time and marketing them as ATS for overseas markets and just continued to use the term with LTR / passport products in current production.