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The elusive XTS4000 has been found

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The elusive XTS4000 has been found

Postby Bruce1807 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:20 pm

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Postby Bruce1807 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:49 pm

H18KCN9PW9AN XTS4000 PORTABLE ASTRO DIGITAL 136-174MHZ 1-2W

So far only VHF 136-174
1-2 watts tx power (sucks a little)
Astro P25 Trunking (dont know if it will do 3600)
looking at the alignment sheets it does analog as well
Secure capable. What flavour? has a UCM so I guess most of them.
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Postby batdude » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:52 pm

oh boy, here we go
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Postby Bruce1807 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:54 pm

6871618L01A User Manual
6871619L01-A Basic Service Manual
6871620L01-A Detailed Service manual

Just downloaded them of MOL

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Postby emsbuff3240 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:00 pm

lol.

i wouldnt mind picking up one of those but im sure the price is more than the federal government gets in taxes.

i wonder how long before they add a camera, and java lol.
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Postby Bruce1807 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:16 pm

emsbuff3240 wrote:i wouldnt mind picking up one of those but im sure the price is more than the federal government gets in taxes.

I dont know its only an XTS 4000 so it should be cheaper than a XTS5000

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4k

Postby kt2728 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:31 pm

the bad

looks like the rx audio will be a little weak coming from the cell phone speaker.

the range on this thing is going to suck big time with that stumpy antenna on vhf.


the good

it will be easy to carry, and if the local coverage is good ( good repeater or other system) it will work good for individuals on an on call basis.



aint it just so cute ..lol :lol:
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Re: 4k

Postby Josh » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:35 pm

OMFG, you have to be joking.

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Postby mr.syntrx » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:09 pm

Nextel on crack!

No worse than the small TETRA terminals you see overseas. It'd be pretty good for plain clothes cops, feds, ASIO spies etc. I expect it will be reasonably cheap as far as new ASTRO gear goes, otherwise nobody will bother.

I think it's pretty cool, I wouldn't mind one on UHF. Less wacktastic than carrying a full sized ASTRO radio everywhere you go.

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Postby PhillyPhoto » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:05 am

Bruce1807 wrote:Secure capable. What flavour? has a UCM so I guess most of them.


Did a quick search found this post. PDF here showing the actual board (Page 7).

I'm wondering why they went with VHF to start out with as opposed to 800...

Any chance of a model I or II :lol: 8)
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Re: 4k

Postby Bruce1807 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:39 am

kt2728 wrote:looks like the rx audio will be a little weak coming from the cell phone speaker.


500 millWatts out the speaker

I guess not everyone will hear

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Postby Bruce1807 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:44 am

NKN1027A
RS232 XTS4000 PROGRAMMING CABLE

0182297T15
CABLE, XTS4000 KEYLOAD

NNTN7056A
ADP W AES ENCRYPTIONKITUCM XTS4000

NNTN7182A
XTS4000 AC CHARGER WITH CRADLE

NNTN7183A
XTS4000 DC CHARGER WITH CRADLE

NNTN7152A
ASSEMBLY,BATTERY,MAIN,REGULATED BATTERY ELIMINATOR, XTS4000



Maybe we need a knowledge base area for this radio.
It is FCC approved so I guess it will be around soon enough

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Postby RFguy » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:16 am

Why not release this at the Motorola IWCE event?

There must be a reason that M did not want the dealers to have a dialogue on it.

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Postby mr.syntrx » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:27 am

What's the FCC ID?

EDIT: Never mind.

Photos:

External: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/form ... or_pdf=pdf
Internal: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/form ... or_pdf=pdf

The antenna is actually a cellphone-style extendable item, about three and a half inches long. It shouldn't be too bad on UHF, but it will still be crap on VHF.

User's manual

Part 1: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/form ... or_pdf=pdf
Part 2: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/form ... or_pdf=pdf

The radio borrows a lot from the user interface on TETRA radios. In fact, a lot of the screenshot artwork has "TETRA" on it :D

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Postby Rayjk110 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:02 am

You've seriously gotta be kidding.

Well...a UHF one would come in handy.

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Postby mr.syntrx » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:08 am

Hey, does it use XTS 5000 UCMs, or a different type?

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Postby Victor Xray » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 am

Gotta love that serial number!!

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Awesome flashcode too!

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Postby fogster » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:47 am

Whoa... I was convinced this was just a day-late April Fools Day prank.

This would be amazing for 'discrete' use--everyone would just think it was another Nextel. And as mr.syntrx says, it's great for us geeks to carry too.

That antenna just looks ridiculous, though.

Page 14 of the first manual mentions something to do with GPS. Eh?

"Ringtones" on a radio... Oh dear. Although Vibracall is neat.

This is really pretty spiffy. Any word on availability?

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Postby 4n6inv » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:10 am

I thought for sure it was an Aprill Fools prank, but I'm biting on this one. I'd sure like to know what kind of money they want for it, besides the brieface full of platinum, diamonds and the pint of virgin blood...

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Postby akardam » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:15 am

mr.syntrx wrote:Hey, does it use XTS 5000 UCMs, or a different type?

Well the above PDF shows the 4k module as being a NNTN7097A.

Though, looking at the images from the FCC documents, I am unclear how in the heck the UCM would connect to the board... or even how it would fit in the chassis...

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Postby mr.syntrx » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:56 am

Any word on accessories, e.g. an XTVA?

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Postby jmr061 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:46 am

I did some checking and found this:

SVN4845 - XTS4000 Car Kit (Convert to XTL4000)


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Sorry couldn't resist.

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Postby Rayjk110 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:11 pm

I can't wait to see the day in the next year or so when someone can get 5991081c5e001 on the back of that thing! :wink:

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Postby motorola_otaku » Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:16 pm

Anyone else see this on the front page of Radioreference?

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/OBD/a0725/final.pdf

That seems to answer a few questions (speculation and hypothesizing ahoy)..

1. Note the part on page 7 of the preface where they mention "large" and "obtrusive." The Feds want something that works like an Astro Saber, but looks like a cellphone.

2. The IWN operates on VHF Highband, hence why we're seeing the first one done in a VHF model with Astro25 trunking capability specifically mentioned.

3. They didn't roll it out at IWCE because, at least in the initial offering, it's probably being specifically market towards the Feds, a la the SSE5000 and the NYPD.

So there you go. The XTS4000 is most likely a purpose-built device for the DOJ IWN system. I guess they plan on having some awesome site saturation when it's all said and done.

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Interoperability, blah, blah, blah...

Postby Tom in D.C. » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:05 pm

After reading most of that report I think it's no wonder our
government gets so little done, and what does get done
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Postby batdude » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:07 pm

pie syndrome


before congress allocated a single penny, the budget outlay should have required all sand box players to put on new uniforms and play by the same set of rules - i.e. - be FORCED to accept decisions by an executive board.

otherwise you get what they have - "my pie" "your pie" "my money" "your money" crap

funny to note that the turnover of positions is so high ... HA!

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Postby Pj » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:40 pm

Where is the car charger port? :)
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Postby mancow » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:53 pm

I want one.


The performance has to suck but it's still neat as hell.

Did anyone else see the word TETRA on the example screen image in the manual?


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Postby Bruce1807 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:53 pm

Where is the car charger port?



Dont know but I bet this is the basic car kit
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XTS4000 DC CHARGER WITH CRADLE

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Postby Wicho » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:21 pm

How are we going to fit an NNTN6034A 4150 mAh Li-Ion battery on THAT little thing? :wink:

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Postby HumHead » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:47 pm

Okay, now that we have proven that they can stuff that kind of feature set into a housing that size...

WHERE THE HELL IS MY DUAL-BAND ASTRO PORTABLE??? :lol:
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Postby tvsjr » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:58 pm

HumHead wrote:Okay, now that we have proven that they can stuff that kind of feature set into a housing that size...

WHERE THE HELL IS MY DUAL-BAND ASTRO PORTABLE??? :lol:


700/800? :P

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Postby JAYMZ » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:53 pm

That's dual band?
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Postby escomm » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:14 pm

HumHead wrote:WHERE THE HELL IS MY DUAL-BAND ASTRO PORTABLE??? :lol:

Give Technisonic a call, they'll sell you tri-band*


























*1 control head, 3 tanapas

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Postby Bruce1807 » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:12 am

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Postby batdude » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:57 am

excellent marketing by Techni


stuff 1-2-3 XTS3000 (maybe 5000) chassis in a box, add some custom displays and power/audio circuitry....

and sell it for $65,000.



lol



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Postby fogster » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:16 am

HumHead wrote:WHERE THE HELL IS MY DUAL-BAND ASTRO PORTABLE??? :lol:


You know I was thinking the same thing when I saw this. Look at all the quad-band phones the size of the Razr... Granted they don't do 5 Watts, but neither does this. There's really no reason they can't do it. I'm pretty certain that the reason they don't is that they'd rather we buy more radios.

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Re: ...

Postby tvsjr » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:54 am

batdude wrote:excellent marketing by Techni


stuff 1-2-3 XTS3000 (maybe 5000) chassis in a box, add some custom displays and power/audio circuitry....

and sell it for $65,000.


Oh, but you forget... that box is made with precious metals. TSOdium ain't cheap. :P

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Postby escomm » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:34 am

batdude wrote:excellent marketing by Techni


stuff 1-2-3 XTS3000 (maybe 5000) chassis in a box, add some custom displays and power/audio circuitry....

and sell it for $65,000.



lol



doug


They are definitely XTS5000 tanapas, and they are nowhere near $65k.

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Re: The elusive XTS4000 has been found

Postby cablemonkey » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:30 pm

Had a meeting with our moto rep today - these are available and shipping.

2W out, with a 4 hour battery life. :/

Good for overt-covert, or something, I guess.

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Re: The elusive XTS4000 has been found

Postby Jack » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:45 am

Are they still VHF only?

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Re: The elusive XTS4000 has been found

Postby alex » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:27 am

Jack wrote:Are they still VHF only?


They are avaliable in both Q and K flavors.

There are no plans to make them in S, U, or W.

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Re: The elusive XTS4000 has been found

Postby jmr061 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:53 pm

I have been using my VHF at work and the thin battery typically lasts an 8.5 hour shift with the low battery chirp starting in at about 8 hours. This is with very minimal transmit but I usually leave it on all the time and when I am in the vehicle I put it in vibrate mode and when I get out of the car I turn the speaker back on.

I do carry the high capacity battery as back up however.

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