The Official Dayton Thread [2003]

Ray D. O'Mann #2 · Post by **Ray D. O'Mann #2** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:04 pm

I met some of you folks there last year. I'll be there, Friday @ 7AM to get in. Can't wait. I'll have to borrow the XTS3k again! Looking to buy either A/S3 or XTS (depending on $) VHF. Also looking for a VHF GP2000.

Post by **alex** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:44 am

Yeah, I should have figured out long ago what the frequency plan is going to be. It's amasing how time seems to be flying by....

At any rate:

Why don't we just keep the band plans the same as last year. The only thing I thought about changing was the random DPL numbers, but I figured if there are already people who have them programmed in, why not leave them as is.

From last years post:

(removed to avoid discrepencies -- see first post of thread)

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And to quote JAYMZ:

Well for frequency plan can we just stick to what we had last year? Just for nothing else but it worked nicely then and not for nothing with the thread from last year and the "Batlabs Frequency" threads the issue has been beaten to death several times over only to come back right where we started.

-Alex

Jonathan KC8RYW · Post by **Jonathan KC8RYW** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:13 pm

alex wrote: Name Frequency Service PL

Green 151.880 MURS D143
Blue 151.940 MURS D143
Red 154.470 MURS D143

Sigh. I'll add some correction to this [like I did in this very same topic a few monthes ago...

]

MURS
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#1 - 151.8200 - 11.25 KHz MAX
#2 - 151.8800 - 11.25 KHz MAX
#3 - 151.9400 - 11.25 KHz MAX
#4 - 154.5700 - 25 KHz - Blue Dot
#5 - 154.6000 - 25 KHz - Green Dot

Red Dot (which is really 151.6250) is not part of MURS, but is still a Business Radio Service frequency.

Also, MURS has a maximum power output of 2W Transmitter Power Output. Not 5 watts. I think this should be mentioned.

alex wrote: 5) Keep it legal.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Post by **alex** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:29 pm

Yes, Jon, your right.

Make sure your settings are what's listed there...

We would get LOTS of interfearance issues with people with "dot" radios, as well as need a $100 license.

So while programming your radios, adjust your settings as appropriate.

I'm doing my best to insure that we can all talk, but I also don't want one person to take the responsibility of others actions by asking to be covered under someone elses license...

Sigh. So much to worry about.

But, yes, Jon, thanks for rememind me about the 11.25 stuff.. i think we'll have to go narrower than that since I don't think most M stuff will do 11.25.

-Alex

Jonathan KC8RYW · Post by **Jonathan KC8RYW** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:45 pm

Alex, 154.470 is not a MURS frequency at all.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your previous post?

Post by **alex** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:31 pm

RIght - they are DOT frequencies. Which means that we need a license for those frequencies.

MURS is the only frequency block that allows for 2w, and yes, I needed to remember to put down the bandwidth limitations on the frequency...

What I was saying is that one of us would have to buy a business licnese to cover using the "DOT" frequencys. I'm not going to ask someone on the board who ISN'T going to be at dayton to let us "use" their license (since I think it's nationwide...) since the channel and operators on it are out of their physical control.

I'm not going to fund the license, I don't really have a need for it at this point, so I'm not really considering it an option.... If people want to send me money for the cause, well, that's another story, but I don't have the funding to support the project.

Also, since you haven't been to dayton, so you probably don't understand what happens. Everyone uses portables and walks on eachother since so many of the frequencies are in use. FRS, GMRS, HAM, it's all FILLED with people just trying to communicate at dayton. You don't know, respect, or understand how diffuclt it is to plan ahead. You just gotta hope it all works when you get there.

-Alex

Jonathan KC8RYW · Post by **Jonathan KC8RYW** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:09 pm

alex wrote:RIght - they are DOT frequencies. Which means that we need a license for those frequencies.

MURS is the only frequency block that allows for 2w, and yes, I needed to remember to put down the bandwidth limitations on the frequency...

What I was saying is that one of us would have to buy a business licnese to cover using the "DOT" frequencys. I'm not going to ask someone on the board who ISN'T going to be at dayton to let us "use" their license (since I think it's nationwide...) since the channel and operators on it are out of their physical control.

I'm not going to fund the license, I don't really have a need for it at this point, so I'm not really considering it an option.... If people want to send me money for the cause, well, that's another story, but I don't have the funding to support the project.

Also, since you haven't been to dayton, so you probably don't understand what happens. Everyone uses portables and walks on eachother since so many of the frequencies are in use. FRS, GMRS, HAM, it's all FILLED with people just trying to communicate at dayton. You don't know, respect, or understand how diffuclt it is to plan ahead. You just gotta hope it all works when you get there.

-Alex

You don't need a license to use Blue dot [154.5700 MHz] and Green dot [154.6000 MHz] channels. They were removed from the Business Radio Band, and are now part of MURS. No license need apply. I hope this clears up any confusion.

Also, Alex, since you are an admin, I think that personal attacks are uncalled for. The last part of your message could have been PM'd to me.

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:41 pm

just a quick question, are they selling vendor admission only with outside flea market spacing?

Which tickets gets you in earliest? I.e 0700hrs first day

wa2zdy · Post by **wa2zdy** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:28 pm

That was a personal attack? I think it was a statement of fact. If you've never been to such an event, it is true, you CAN NOT appreciate or imagine the chaos, the difficulty in planning. I've never been to Dayton, but I've been to the airshow at Oshkosh and Lakeland Fla, and trust me, there are enough hams there to cause chaos, never mind everyone else with a walkie talkie of this or that variety.

If you think that was a personal attack, you need to reevaluate how you feel about yourself. The post from Alex was a general statement of absolute fact. It's sad you feel it was an attack upon you.

Jonathan KC8RYW · Post by **Jonathan KC8RYW** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:44 pm

For those intrested, the sentence that ticked me off was: "You don't know, respect, or understand how diffuclt it is to plan ahead. "

Now, come on now, are we going to take up space in this topic critiqueing how I feel, or are we going to talk about radio frequencies at Dayton?

I hope we choose the latter.

This topic is a double-edged sward. I'll explain.

On one hand, there is whining about getting licensed under Part 90, and being licensed for frequencies that I suspect are less likely to be used at Dayton. On the other, there is whining about getting talked on with MURS, FRS, GMRS, and Ham frequencies.

If it's not number one, nor number two, then what are we supposed to do?

KitN1MCC · Post by **KitN1MCC** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:11 pm

also just an Iggy for u all. i will be also on my business channel 159.855pl110.9 stop in and say hello

Post by **alex** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:04 pm

To Clarify:

I was most certainly not trying to take a stab at you. I was trying to make it clear that it is diffuclt to plan ahead for this event. There are severl other people who will back me on this. In the past when I've gone with groups of people who had programmable radios we had to change frequencies 5 times over 3 days just to keep in reliable contact. It was to the point where the radio would start falsely reading PL tones... It's not a good thing.

So, that wasn't at all ment to annoy or tick you off, it was purly to try and explain the diffuclty in trying to make every individaul happy and have a system that works when even for the most part simplex isn't reliable.

Sorry you took it that way, and i'll look at the 25khz stuff later, I wasn't too aware.

-Alex

10-95 · Post by **10-95** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:25 pm

Well, I hope to be there again this year as well if the employer will grant me the time off again this year. I have been real good and have saved a lot of comp time so I hope so.

Frank

mikeh · Post by **mikeh** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:13 am

Does some one have the GPS coordinates of Hera Arena? Depending on range from my location, I have a lot of licenses that may or may not be usable...

-
Mike

nitornemo · Post by **nitornemo** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 3:09 pm

mikeh wrote:Does some one have the GPS coordinates of Hera Arena? Depending on range from my location, I have a lot of licenses that may or may not be usable...
-
Mike

Anyone know if a shop license will cover abroad(out of my area

)?

mikeh · Post by **mikeh** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:39 am

Not sure about the shop license, you might want to read on it, mine lists specificly, base, and mobile within 50 miles, and mobile within 100 miles, depending upon which license.

Post by **CAPTLPOL** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:43 pm

I believe that is in kilometers and not in miles, if I am not mistaken.

Burtle · Post by **Burtle** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:37 am

KitN1MCC wrote:just to let you all know i just booked my room at marrioit on south patterson ohio

Can we all stay with you, and run up room service, haha

redbeard · Post by **redbeard** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:55 pm

I'll be at the Econo Lodge in Beavercreek saturday night. This will be the first year of being able to go for two days instead of only on Sunday. I can't wait.

JAYMZ · Post by **JAYMZ** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:36 am

That isn't the Econo Lodge South on Edwin Mosses Rd is it?

Very scarey hotel.... The clock radios are lag bolted to the end tables....

redbeard · Post by **redbeard** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:25 pm

Nah this one is further east than that one. Not that Econo Lodge isn't usually scary though heh. As long as the door locks and the bedsheets have no stains then we're good to go. Just remember folks, don't touch the comforter on the bed....

dawson75 · Post by **dawson75** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:06 am

so red how are things going with the dayton trip am i gonna need to get a room or are we all gonna share the beds and floor?

nitornemo · Post by **nitornemo** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:27 am

Got the package from Dayton

We'll be in the 2600 block...5 spaces and 3 car passes.

Hope its got power and height for the BL X-Band Rpt!

.

Post by **alex** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:22 pm

For those of you who are going - the cross-band ham frequency will support IMBE digital. Program your digital toys accordingly.

I would suggest using "mixed" mode on your radios so you know when someone is calling in analog though

-Alex

richyradio · Post by **richyradio** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 6:37 am

hey, I wonder if that crappy hotel is still in existence near the airport...it was called the "sheridan" hotel, DEFINITELY not to be confused w/ the Sheraton chain.....it was so bad I actually slept in my car...it was so pathetic it was actually funny...you just had to laugh at the place...doors hanging off the hinges, broken windows, tropical rain forest growing in the pool.....On another note, I have a general observation: to our young friend in the midwest- I understand you are young and hopefully you will grow out of it, but I think you have to learn to practice a little humility in your life, (or at least in postings) as I believe you are rapidly earning the title of the "Ambassador of Frivolous Information" .....think about it.......

kb8zqz · Post by **kb8zqz** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:21 am

mikeh wrote:Does some one have the GPS coordinates of Hera Arena? Depending on range from my location, I have a lot of licenses that may or may not be usable...

http://www.hamvention.org/faq.html:

What is the longitude and latitude of the Dayton Hamvention®?

Hamvention® is located at Hara Arena in Trotwood, Ohio. It is situated at North 39° 49.245" and West 84° 15.400."

W2IRT · Post by **W2IRT** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:21 pm

Just read the thread and I hope to meet up with a few of you good folks at the show. I've been going to Dayton for over 15 years but never really networked with a lot of people during that time. I will be great to finally put some faces with names...if possible. I only have older ham-grade equipment for now (hopefully that will change at the show if I can find an HT-1550 or similar), so I hope I can get through all the digital and DPL to say hi.

If any of you are vendors, I'll be sure to stop by and at least spend time if not a few bucks.

Now, I also have two motel reservations that were my backups. Since everything's now confirmed, I'm offering these two rooms (both rooms have two double beds) to the first two who e-mail or IM me. One is very close to the Hara (near I-75 Exit 60) and the other is a few miles south, but easy commute distance. I don't recall the rates, but they're relatively inexpensive properties...nothing fancy.

Post by **alex** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:53 am

if anyone is thinking of going, taking W2IRT up on that is prob. a good idea. You'll be hard pressed to find rooms close to hara at this point.

Also, if you check the first post of this thread you should ifnd all the frequency info.

-Alex

Susan157 · Post by **Susan157** » Mon May 05, 2003 5:46 am

We will be monitoring at Dayton.
"The Canadian Team"

oh2lak · Post by **oh2lak** » Thu May 08, 2003 12:17 am

So do we have a key for some of the freqs? If so, PM or email me!

Erik

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Thu May 08, 2003 5:05 am

Hello.

I might make it at the Dayton free for all, after all.
The Sheridan is not really all that bad, more than a dozen he/she homos approve of it, but for the normal people?
The reason for the ATF, FBI, FCC, whatever, is due to the fact that people will try to sell just about anything at Dayton, including AK47s, stella SAM missle, countless handguns, not to count the number of radios that "will talk to each other", almost always on some fire or police freq's.
The upper limit for the "CB shoot-out" herd seems to be somewhere around 14 thousand watts?!, at least last year.
This is the why, and, it is asked that, if you do hear something out of place, kindly let someone know, but take no action on your part.
With that said, 'most every channel that can be used, is, from 1750 meter LF to microwave, telegraph to UV, really DC to daylight.
No real concern over someone who is running radio legit, everybody is going to be busy with the "normal" prob's.

Thank You.

JAYMZ · Post by **JAYMZ** » Fri May 09, 2003 7:16 pm

Well COwThief... I suppose we are all hoping you do something stupid to take the attention off us

And on a Sidenote... RichyRadio... did you take that picture yourself or did you find that somewhere. I know that view all too well. Sadly you can't do that anymore.

Post by **jon** » Fri May 09, 2003 8:25 pm

As in past years, I'll be here:

http://ohioaprs.net/dayton.php

-j

Jonathan KC8RYW · Post by **Jonathan KC8RYW** » Sat May 10, 2003 2:48 pm

Just a lil' question... does anyone know Ohio's scanner laws for in the car? I can't recall, but I think they were a "no scanner" state, I think.

kc8svs · Post by **kc8svs** » Sat May 10, 2003 3:03 pm

If you've got an Amateur Radio license, EMS, and FD, you'll be perfectly fine!

I don't know for sure about everyone else though.

Post by **alex** » Mon May 12, 2003 8:03 am

Since a couple people wanted clarification:

These are the frequencies for astro x-band. This will be setup on friday, and quite possilby through Saturday as well. Depends on when our provider leaves for home.

146.5750
446.8250

This repeater will pass Analog and IMBE CAI Digital (I can't remember if VSELP has been tested or not...)

For analog, use a DPL of 143. This repeater will pass anything put through it, including noise, so keep this in mind.

If you have any questions about this, drop me a line.

-Alex

DPL · Post by **DPL** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:41 pm

Jonathan KC8RYW wrote:Just a lil' question... does anyone know Ohio's scanner laws for in the car? I can't recall, but I think they were a "no scanner" state, I think.

http://www.qsl.net/wa8pyr/legal.htm

No state laws against scanners in cars.

-DPL

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed May 14, 2003 6:25 am

Myself and Haloncloud will be listening on the UHF Astro crossband freq, but you can call us in analog as well. Look forward to hearing from you.

Jay

richyradio · Post by **richyradio** » Wed May 14, 2003 11:14 am

Hi Jaymz...took that pic myself, it's from the 108th ('scuse me, was from the108th) floor setback.....the floor was filled w/ tons of hvac stuff and the walls were set back so you could put microwave link antennas in the "mullions"..(name for the windowless frames) ...you could not get that pic from the roof as the decorative aluminum was slanted at an angle and you could not lean out far enough to see down below...I took that pic when I first got my digital camera...got alot of interesting pics from there and Empire...think I'll change my avatar and go through a few...(including the paper plane competition) ...I tell 'ya, at times, I still don't believe it's gone...I still find myself saying "gee, I need this or that- let me go down to the transmitter and get it".... as time goes by that thought gets cut shorter and shorter.......

hfitzgerald · Post by **hfitzgerald** » Thu May 15, 2003 9:10 pm

As it turns out, my schedule will allow me to make Dayton this year (for a couple weeks I though I'd have to cancel). I'm leaving Holland, Michigan at 1:00 a.m. and I should be there by 6:30 a.m. Have reservations in the Country Seasons (but the name just changed to something else, it's by the McDonalds).

God bless and I'll see you all in a few hours.
Fitz Fitzgerald.
KC8KML

-Will be on Analog 2m & 70cm.

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:50 pm

Hello.

My last night in Dayton.
I have seen everything I wanted to see, and perhaps a just a bit more.
Found the "green radio" groups, modern and the boat anchers, pretty much stay there and learn what I can.
If you have a chance, check out some of the military flavor /\/\ radios, both old and new.

The Official Dayton Thread [2003]

countdown...

GPS

Re: GPS

hey red

...those fine dayton hotels...

Re: GPS

2 motel reservations for the asking

We will be there from Canada

DES/DES-XL?

Dayton, the FCC, and all that is good.

....avatar pic...

Dayton, here I come!

Last night