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hycheng

Hi there,
What is the use of pin 8 Opt B+ in the Saber connector ?
It is not used in most of the headset/handmic I have but on one the headset it is used but it starts to give me strange behavior (will not disconnect after keyed).
Thanks in advanced,
Chris

hycheng

I don't know if one can turn off XL mode in a Saber DES/XL module. All I know is if I load a DES and a DES/XL module with the same code, they will talke to each other on a Saber.

hycheng

Nope its not for any place near the sand pit. I was assuming since DVI is exportable, bypassed securenet should be ok.

Thanks for the confirmation.

hycheng

Hi there,
Is there any restriction on exporting a Securenet Saber with only bypass module installed ?
Thanks in advanced.

hycheng

Thanks guys,
A little more info on the headset, its a TASC II headset for special forces and they are reasonably new and does have a cable for Saber (except it costs $350). I am sure there is a way to hook up to the Saber but I just couldn't find the right matching setting. To hack a $25 hand mic ...

hycheng

Hi there,

I am trying to modify a military headset to be used in a Saber radio by connecting a cut Saber handmic cable to the headset. The resulting speaker works fine but the mic pickup is really quiet.

I would like to know what is the impedance expectation of the external mic ( ohms @ ? kHz). I ...

hycheng

Hi there,
Is there any standard on DES key format ? Is it arranged in 8 byte format with the LSB or MSB being the parity ? Is it odd or even parity ?
Thanks in advanced.

hycheng

But they will make 3DES cell phones that will probably have a stronger than FAS*NATOR.

hycheng

This may be a good start :
http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/KYV2.shtml

hycheng

A good reference on international frequencies allocations

http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/handheld.html

hycheng

Thanks Frank,
So there is a ray of hope. Any chance you have a display to spare ?
Chris

hycheng

This is the first time I got my hand on an Astro Saber, I thought it was a Astro Saber I but when I opened the chasis, I found the top plate has the key pads but no display. This leads me to start thinking is it possible to upgrade the Astro Saber I to II or III by adding the display and firmware ...

hycheng

Hi there,
I know some ICOM FM HT's (IC-T7H) can be mod to Tx AM. I am just curious to know if any /\/\ot HT's can be mod to do AM ? In particular Sabers in VHF.
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
Does any one have any operator and service manuals for the Motorola LST-5 series of radios ? Also any information on the PTPC/PTPE pre-amp and their connections to the LST-5 will be needed.
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Astro,
Whats the point of asking if you've already decided what you are going to do ?
A better alternative might be getting GMRS license online from FCC (just pay and no exam) and then you can have 5W on the first 7 channels of FRS and use all the UHF Sabers you can carry.

hycheng

Astro,
What's up with this bashing. You haven't even do business with this person. If you want it cheap go ebay, if you want it new go //ot. He is just a dealer trying to make a living. Try to find another place on the web with his inventory and a cheaper price and you will be my hero.

hycheng

Thanks Elroy,
Its just I've never seen R type System Saber and since the rest of my Sabers are all R type, I would like to convert the System one to R also.
Is there such thing as true R type System Saber with the water tight nobs ?
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
Do Saber and System Saber radio share the same housing ? Can I ruggedize a System Saber by putting in a Saber R housing ?
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

I've done business with him through both email and phone. No problem on both.

hycheng

Pin 12 looks suspiciously like GND. Its connected solid to the plane in the picture.

hycheng

So what pins are gnd in the socket ?
Thanks
Chris

hycheng

Matthew,

That was a luck guess. Since only the government can afford/need those rigs. If know some ham guys, it might worth getting.

Chris
ps Great radio I got from you.

hycheng

I think that 1kW Harris HF rig is quite nice if you have the space to set it up. Afterall they even use them in North and South pole stations for DX.

hycheng

Its not as hard as you think. The EFF cracked DES in 3 days in 1998 and Distributed Net cracked DES in 22 hours using a PC cluster. It is still prohibitive for a personal effort but a small server farm in anyone of the silicon valley computer company can easily do the same thing within days.

hycheng

Speaking about encryption. Since it is a digital process, is it considered to be data transmission ? If that's the case, can we further assume it is legal to transmit encrypted voice in the MURS frequencies where data transmission is allowed ? Or the above is too much of a stretch ?

hycheng

Hi there,

Does anyone have any information on the Saber DES/XL multikey module (NTN5758B) ? What version of KVL is needed and what version of Saber can use it ? I tried to load the key with BX version of KVL on a Saber I securenet, it prompt for a range of keys but can only load one key and the ...

hycheng

They both sound the same in the small room. I thought you have to go distant to tell the range differences.

Unless I mistaken the part # on the casing, it is a DES talking to a DES/XL. In fact, the DES KVL won't load the DES/XL and I have to use a DES/XL KVL to load the code.

hycheng

Hi there,
Can two Sabers, one with DES and one with DES/XL module, talk to each other if loaded with the same KVL ?
I was under the impression it cannot but somehow I have a NTN4712 (DES) module and NTN5835 (DES/XL) but they do talk to each other.

hycheng

Hi there,
Does anyone has the pin out spec for the two 6 pins Amphenol connectors for the MX300R (ruggedized version of MX300S) series ConvertaCom ? Is it similar to the military 6 pin audio cable ?

Anyone knows where to get cables or speakers for this ConvertaCom ?

Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Motorola is a very different company now. Like all big semiconductor house, they bet their farm on the Internet and wireless cellular business and pretty much get rid of business they don't consider as their core. They even spin off most of their semiconductor business. I am surprise they even do ...

hycheng

I think you also need an 8K kit to increase the channel # to 120. See the Saber specific section in batlabs.

hycheng

Hi there,
I try to look for info in the encryption section but couldn't find it. What is DES OFB encryption ? Is it interoperable with DES/XL or DES ? Which keyloader should be used to load the code ? DES or DES/XL or other special KVL ?
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Hi Keygun,
Thanks for your help.
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
I would like to know if a Motorola System Saber I can go into a Saber R housing ? Will it fit and work ?
Also, does System Saber uses the same securenet modules are Saber ?
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
I would like to know if it is possible to set the 800MHz Astro Sabers to the 900 Ham split ?
Thanks
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
Can the Motorola MX300 series do DES/XL or are they DES ?
Happy New Year,
Chris

hycheng

Seems like I can't post on for sale/want board.

hycheng

Hi there,

I have a Saber II with 5D core. Recently I put a known good DES secure module in it. Some how I can load the key, decode DES message from another Saber but when I try to transmit in DES, the other end just hear noise. Any suggest what went wrong ?

Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,

How does DES OTA module work ? Can you still load the key through keyloader ? Do you need a base station or special instrument to do the OTA ?

Thanks
Chris

hycheng

The strangest thing about all these Type 1 COMSEC is, if you take a trip to Japan and go to Akihabara area in Toyko, you will find radio shops selling these items in a small corner. On the other hand, bringing them back to US will be hazardous to your own freedom. Some how our "friendly country ...

hycheng

Now this is awesome looking and good price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dl ... URL=0&rd=1

I saw some dude in a military collection sold his for $550. I really feel sorry for the poor sucker.

hycheng

It may not be pretty but I actually found a 386 pc in ebay for $30 and run all my RSS there. Works like a charm. Consider it like buying a hex tool from // (about the same price)

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hycheng

I am always curious, is there any significant different in performance between the pigtails and stubby antenna ? What are the pros and cons ?
Chris

hycheng

Hi there,
Is there such thing as Saber III R ? I've seen I and II R's but I've never seen a III R. I think there is an Astro Saber III R. Ruhhhhhhhh......

hycheng

I used a Saber II with R housing in 430-470 split for 70cm ham and GMRS. It works great. I did a search on 70cm repeaters in my local area, pick the best repeaters (long distance, back up power etc) and program the rest in GMRS. I use it for hikings and airsoft games also. Got the military feel.

hycheng

I read about the Saber II 8K upgrade in the articles section and would like to give it a try. Is there any extra feature that can be added other than extra channels when I am upgraded to 8K vs. my old 2K ? How does the zones and scan get organize with the extra channels ? Since I don't have a III ...

hycheng

Hi there,
Does Astro Sabers uses the same DES/XL securenet module (4714B) as the Saber ?
Thanks in advanced.
Chris

hycheng

The most note worthy Moto green radios are probably the URC-1XX series, and the LST-5.
The former, URC-100,101,110 and 111 are either VHF low or high band + UHF satcom. These are big manpack with up to 20W. The LST-5x are used by special forces such as Seals or Rangers and usually comes with funny ...

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